Discussion:
What economists have gotten wrong for decades
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Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 00:00:01 UTC
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Reasonable people understand there's a balance between security and
rights.
But reasonable people do not
Why are *you* talking about "reasonable people" as if you know anything
about the what they'd do?
When it's something like a border and the potential risk is
national, compromises must be made.
If we are not going to live by strong values,
As I've already pointed out, we have among the best liberty on the
planet, as balanced with the ability to, you know, stay alive (deal with
threats from anyone). We also let in more immigrants than anyone. It
doesn't matter anyway, you'd *never* be happy, you'll only claim
something like 'I'd be happy if we would <fill in the blank>', but
that's BS 'cuz when it got filled you'd be bitching about something
else.
Contrary to your delusion, the
phrases "provide for the common defence" and "promote the general
Welfare doesn't mean 'Tear down that fencing and free handouts for
everyone on the planet!'.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 00:04:42 UTC
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Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
No, rights are never a "balance". They are rights. Absolute.
True, so why do you deny Justice Kavanaugh his
absolute right to presumed innocence until proven
guilty?
You don't remember the "three eyewitnesses"?
<https://imgur.com/a/Yi6OXh4>
Snit
2019-08-02 00:23:01 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
No, rights are never a "balance". They are rights. Absolute.
True, so why do you deny Justice Kavanaugh his
absolute right to presumed innocence until proven
guilty?
You don't remember the "three eyewitnesses"?
<https://imgur.com/a/Yi6OXh4>
You run from the question. Oy.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:38:55 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
No, rights are never a "balance". They are rights. Absolute.
True, so why do you deny Justice Kavanaugh his
absolute right to presumed innocence until proven
guilty?
You don't remember the "three eyewitnesses"?
<https://imgur.com/a/Yi6OXh4>
You run from the question. Oy.
No you lied again. He posted a pic of them.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 00:06:31 UTC
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says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between security and
rights.
Going on and on repeating that until you're blue in the face still won't
magically make it come true, kook.
It's already true kook.
You tend to side with Carroll
Nothing wrong with him proving he can comprehend what he reads ;)
Snit
2019-08-02 00:22:33 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between security and
rights.
Going on and on repeating that until you're blue in the face still won't
magically make it come true, kook.
It's already true kook.
You tend to side with Carroll: what liberty should he have to give up so people are secure from his contacting them outside of Usenet and harassing them? Be specific.
Nothing wrong with him proving he can comprehend what he reads ;)
Wow... you just proved you failed to comprehend what you read.

Carroll:
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Reasonable people understand there's a balance between
security and rights.
-----

Be specific: what rights should be tossed out the window to make sure
you never contact me outside of Usenet again, no less my wife, family,
friends, co-workers, employers, neighbors, clients, etc.?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:10:26 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:57:28 -0700, Snit
...
--
"When I worked at Intuit they needed a system to compute benefits for the tax
season. Took the "expert programmers," a group of 4 I think, TWO YEARS to
get their system to work.
Took me TWO WEEKS, alone, to have a working system.
Yes, when they completed theirs it was faster and better in many ways. No
doubt. But it took them TWO tax seasons to get it to work. Insane."
I've noticed, also why does he go by 'Snit' does it have meaning?
Southern Nevada Institute of Technology... a joke that goes back to the
1980s.
Sure
But that is a side issue to Carroll's admission he cannot imagine
someone getting something done in two weeks. I find that admission by
him to be funny. And quite telling of his incompetence.
He doesn't like you.
I don't like his constantly acting like a pre-teen with all his
trolling, puppets/shills, forgeries, bot scripts, etc.,
How ironic, seeing as how you're the one with the puppets/shills and bot
scripts.
No, no... Carroll is a victim of someone who hacked his Google account
in a way that Google and "several federal agencies" could not stop, and
then they asked him to keep using his account, and then he blamed
himself for having a weak password, and then somehow the "hacker" did
not change the password like any real hacker would.
And then someone made a YouTube account with Carroll's name where they
post videos Carroll refuses to give up copyright to because he admits
they are his, but it is not really his account and... LOL!
These are all things Carroll really insists are true. It is mind boggling.
Anybody can download youtubes and make a new site for them.
The videos of mine that Snit grabbed and put in his bogus YT bearing my
name were not grabbed from YT, it was mostly from the non-defunct
vidme.com site and some from streamable.com. Snit is a professional web
developer who can't do any of the stuff I, a novice, do or show in those
videos. As you can see, he's just overflowing with 'clients' ;)
Carroll:
-----
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between
security and rights.
-----

What liberty should you have to give up so I and others are secure from
you making such false accusations? Be specific.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:14:42 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
I'm fine with the areas identified by the CPB.
But you cannot find it.
??? The salient point isn't the locations,
When you speak about "areas" it is very important for you to be able to
say what areas you mean. Kinda key, really.
The only "key" thing is that they're "open" and traversable.
What areas do you mean?
The "open" ones that are traversable.
But you have no named locations, no less a map. Got it... you have no
clue what you are talking about. Not a surprise.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:49:52 UTC
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Post by Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
I'm fine with the areas identified by the CPB.
But you cannot find it.
??? The salient point isn't the locations,
When you speak about "areas" it is very important for you to be able to
say what areas you mean. Kinda key, really.
The only "key" thing is that they're "open" and traversable.
What areas do you mean?
The "open" ones that are traversable.
But you have no named locations, no less a map. Got it... you have no
clue what you are talking about. Not a surprise.
I lived on the border for years, I know exactly what he's talking about.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:15:47 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Because of what the word itself means. You're arguing that stereotyping
is the same thing as racism. I'm not buying that argument in the context
of a cop
It's *worse* if it's a cop, because of the amount of power they have.
I'm not gonna try to brainwash his thoughts so that he doesn't look at
what has already been shown to be a known threat via the stats.
So, presumption of innocence for Kavanaugh, whom multiple eyewitnesses
accused of horrific crimes, but none for brown people seen either a)
near the border or b) walking on a city street.
When you look at the number of people who didn't give him that
presumption, I expect it's more than a wash against him.
Who suggested Kavanaugh should be in prison without due process?
Who said anything about prison? People in a border zone are subject to
the laws in that zone.
And the BREAKING of US and international law. You and other right
wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to redistribution of money
to the for-profit prison corporations because their parents MIGHT have
committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking asylum is legal that is
not even a given). I cannot back the corporate socialism that you are OK
with, and even worse I will NEVER back child abuse as you do.
I'll take
mitigating border risk (which encompasses a LOT) over the potential for
a liar on the SCOTUS (not like we haven't had them) every day of the
week.
You accept a liar in the Supreme Court
I'd accept *another* liar
You accept liars... which is not surprising being that people tend to
back people like themselves.
on it over what I said, yes. They've already
done the major damage with the Federal Reserve, anything done after that
point is kid stuff in comparison. When you consider the amount of liberty
we have compared to other countries (that can't defend themselves to the
extent we can), it's a no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:16:27 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
What Republic? We've lost it to Trump and his followers' authoritarianism.
:(
Then why aren't the things Trump is trying to get Congress to pass
getting passed? Oo<SPANK!>
Why are things that substantial majorities of Americans want, like single
payer healthcare (60%), universal background checks on gun purchases (84%),
or free tuition at state universities (63%), not happening then, if we
still have a functioning Republic?
The Dems didn't want these kinds of things during the Obama era, when they had both
houses?
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-know-it
Is your point that maybe you should consider the idea you're not just
"liberal", you're a left wing loon?
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 00:32:48 UTC
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Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
What Republic? We've lost it to Trump and his followers' authoritarianism.
:(
Then why aren't the things Trump is trying to get Congress to pass
getting passed? Oo<SPANK!>
Why are things that substantial majorities of Americans want, like single
payer healthcare (60%), universal background checks on gun purchases (84%),
or free tuition at state universities (63%), not happening then, if we
still have a functioning Republic?
The Dems didn't want these kinds of things during the Obama era, when they had both
houses?
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-know-it
Is your point that maybe you should consider the idea you're not just
"liberal", you're a left wing loon?
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
No just getting load and violent. The violent part is easy to fix
with use of the second Amendment. If attacked defend yourself aim
for head or center of mask.
Snit
2019-08-02 01:45:05 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
What Republic? We've lost it to Trump and his followers' authoritarianism.
:(
Then why aren't the things Trump is trying to get Congress to pass
getting passed? Oo<SPANK!>
Why are things that substantial majorities of Americans want, like single
payer healthcare (60%), universal background checks on gun purchases (84%),
or free tuition at state universities (63%), not happening then, if we
still have a functioning Republic?
The Dems didn't want these kinds of things during the Obama era, when they had both
houses?
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-know-it
Is your point that maybe you should consider the idea you're not just
"liberal", you're a left wing loon?
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
Below you babble off topic. Whatever.
Post by Mattb
No just getting load and violent. The violent part is easy to fix
with use of the second Amendment. If attacked defend yourself aim
for head or center of mask.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 02:04:57 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
What Republic? We've lost it to Trump and his followers' authoritarianism.
:(
Then why aren't the things Trump is trying to get Congress to pass
getting passed? Oo<SPANK!>
Why are things that substantial majorities of Americans want, like single
payer healthcare (60%), universal background checks on gun purchases (84%),
or free tuition at state universities (63%), not happening then, if we
still have a functioning Republic?
The Dems didn't want these kinds of things during the Obama era, when they had both
houses?
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-know-it
Is your point that maybe you should consider the idea you're not just
"liberal", you're a left wing loon?
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
Below you babble off topic.
Like you even stick with any topic ;)

Let's try a new one you can run from, free speech on the college
campus. In an upcoming movie about it, the following quotes were made
about today's 'students':

"Who ever told you you only had to hear what didn't upset you?" - Bill
Maher

"We live in very bleak times with a whole lot of conformity and a whole
lot of cowardliness." - Dr. Cornel West

"I want every student on campus to be physically safe. But if you mean
emotionally safe? I don't know why you're in college." - Van Jones

"If you want to feel good get a massage." Professor of Law, Emeritus -
Alan Dershowitz

(cue up left loon spinning by Mr. Topic)
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:50:53 UTC
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Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
What Republic? We've lost it to Trump and his followers' authoritarianism.
:(
Then why aren't the things Trump is trying to get Congress to pass
getting passed? Oo<SPANK!>
Why are things that substantial majorities of Americans want, like single
payer healthcare (60%), universal background checks on gun purchases (84%),
or free tuition at state universities (63%), not happening then, if we
still have a functioning Republic?
The Dems didn't want these kinds of things during the Obama era, when they had both
houses?
https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-know-it
Is your point that maybe you should consider the idea you're not just
"liberal", you're a left wing loon?
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
Not judging from last nights debate.
Just Wondering
2019-08-02 01:57:52 UTC
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Post by Snit
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
Which will make it harder for Democrats to win elections ...
thankfully.
%
2019-08-02 02:03:16 UTC
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Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
The progressive side of the Democratic party is gaining power...
thankfully.
Which will make it harder for Democrats to win elections ...
thankfully.
they have to win one sometimes or they just won't matter anymore ,
it's the same in sports even the bad teams need a crack at the prize ,
or the fans quit coming and the organization dies
Snit
2019-08-02 00:18:25 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between security and
rights.
Going on and on repeating that until you're blue in the face still won't
magically make it come true, kook.
Wait... I am gonna do something you might rarely see: agree with
Carroll. To me it is not about the person but the idea.
We do limit our freedoms to have more security: for example, if
someone lived alone on a deserted island, it would not matter what
guns they have or how they got them. No background check needed. No
limit on types of arms (other than those which might harm more than
the island). But we give that up in a society and agree to background
checks and limits for the safety / security of us all.
We do NOT do this however by saying we thing this race or that, or
people of this religion or that or atheists, are "suspicious", as
Carroll does
Instead of merely agreeing with someone, why don't you just ask the most
It is bizarre anyone would agree with you. Sure.
What countries have more liberty than the U.S. while i being able to
simultaneously deal with virtually any threat?
Why is that the question, you might (should) ask?
The preamble is the reason for the Constitution, notice it doesn't
mention "privacy" rights at all. OTOH, it does mention defence and
general welfare (not the kind you're thinking of)
It mentions it... but not what? Oh. You are speaking for others and
interpreting things as you wish again. Got it.
so those things are
higher in order of precedence, obviously (which goes to "any threat").
Go look up liberty as it relates to other countries (not some Utopian
fantasy), you'll see we're in pretty good standing while still retaining
the higher order objectives in the preamble. Some smaller countries may
appear 'freer' in certain respects but they can go 'bye bye' *much*
easier. I know, this idea doesn't square with your 'liberal' senses...
it's that whole 'lack of reality' thing you have going on ;)
Carroll:
-----
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between
security and rights.
-----

Be specific: what rights should be tossed out the window to make sure
you never contact me outside of Usenet again, no less my wife, family,
friends, co-workers, employers, neighbors, clients, etc.?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:21:21 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I'm not a 'right winger'
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.........
Why do you defend Trump and his Nazi stooges at every turn, then, kooky?
Pointing out what they can do is not defending them.
You repeatedly defend it with excuses. You defend and support bigotry.
You defend and support profiling people by race because you think some
races are more "suspicious". You even gave examples of different races
to profile.
As I've said a
number of times, I think Trump is a pathologically lying narcissist,
Hence why you back him -- he represents your group.
not
quite Snit level but close enough (but that doesn't mean I believe he's
incapable of doing the job... most politicians share those traits).
You think Trump is a "pathologically lying narcissist" but that does not
make him incapable of doing the job you want him to do. LOL!

Do you understand how badly you shoot yourself in the foot every time
you post such idiotic stuff?
I've
also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done...
Such as him representing pathologically lying narcissists such as
yourself. Sure.
but I
understand why. To me, the irony here is Trump's moves on this are based
on things largely put into action by Dem Presidents (Johnson's INA and
Clinton's IIRIRA). Trump would *never* stand a chance of getting things
like that through but he didn't have to, the Dems of old already signed
them. Regarding immigration rights, some of the things you're in here
complaining about the loudest (that you're pissed at Trump about) are
'Dem approved' and not a word from any of you, despite the fact that
Trump would be unable to tag policy to those acts if Dems didn't sign
them into law in the first place.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 00:32:40 UTC
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(snip)
Post by Snit
not
quite Snit level but close enough (but that doesn't mean I believe he's
incapable of doing the job... most politicians share those traits).
You think Trump is a "pathologically lying narcissist" but that does not
make him incapable of doing the job you want him to do. LOL!
Lots of politicians are lying narcissists. As for the job I want, none of
them will ever consider it, they want to live.
Post by Snit
I've
also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done...
Such as him representing pathologically lying narcissists such as
... you.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:33:57 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
not
quite Snit level but close enough (but that doesn't mean I believe he's
incapable of doing the job... most politicians share those traits).
You think Trump is a "pathologically lying narcissist" but that does not
make him incapable of doing the job you want him to do. LOL!
Lots of politicians are lying narcissists. As for the job I want, none of
them will ever consider it, they want to live.
You want politicians to do things that would lead to their death. Oy.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
I've
also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done...
Such as him representing pathologically lying narcissists such as
.... you.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:53:24 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
not
quite Snit level but close enough (but that doesn't mean I believe he's
incapable of doing the job... most politicians share those traits).
You think Trump is a "pathologically lying narcissist" but that does not
make him incapable of doing the job you want him to do. LOL!
Lots of politicians are lying narcissists. As for the job I want, none of
them will ever consider it, they want to live.
You want politicians to do things that would lead to their death. Oy.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
I've
also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done...
Such as him representing pathologically lying narcissists such as
.... you.
Snit
2019-08-02 01:17:09 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
not
quite Snit level but close enough (but that doesn't mean I believe he's
incapable of doing the job... most politicians share those traits).
You think Trump is a "pathologically lying narcissist" but that does not
make him incapable of doing the job you want him to do. LOL!
Lots of politicians are lying narcissists. As for the job I want, none of
them will ever consider it, they want to live.
You want politicians to do things that would lead to their death. Oy.
He didn't say that, you did.
Read what I replied to. And try to understand. GOOD BOY!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 01:33:55 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
not
quite Snit level but close enough (but that doesn't mean I believe he's
incapable of doing the job... most politicians share those traits).
You think Trump is a "pathologically lying narcissist" but that does not
make him incapable of doing the job you want him to do. LOL!
Lots of politicians are lying narcissists. As for the job I want, none of
them will ever consider it, they want to live.
You want politicians to do things that would lead to their death. Oy.
He didn't say that, you did.
Read what I replied to. And try to understand. GOOD BOY!
I did and he never said that, but you did.
Mattb
2019-08-02 00:24:51 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:55:00 -0700, Snit
When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling. Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
Notice below where you respond with clear anger.
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry? That you work
around kids bothers me more.
Snit ran away.......LOL
Snit
2019-08-02 00:26:55 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between security and
rights.
But reasonable people do not use that as an excuse to push bigoted crap like you do over how police should be suspicious of people based on their race, nor do they say that rape is something they should just "<shrug>" off as you do.
Notice how Carroll ran from this. He has no answer.
Post by Steve Carroll
Why are *you* talking about "reasonable people" as if you know anything
about the what they'd do?
When it's something like a border and the potential risk is
national, compromises must be made.
If we are not going to live by strong values, such as not being a racist asshole, what are you even hoping to protect?
As I've already pointed out, we have among the best liberty on the
planet, as balanced with the ability to, you know, stay alive (deal with
threats from anyone).
That does not excuse you being a racist asshole who says we should judge
how "suspicious" someone is based on their race.
Post by Steve Carroll
We also let in more immigrants than anyone. It
doesn't matter anyway, you'd *never* be happy, you'll only claim
something like 'I'd be happy if we would <fill in the blank>', but
that's BS 'cuz when it got filled you'd be bitching about something
else.
Notice how you speak FOR me instead of trying to understand what is
said. You do that a lot.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:27:35 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:55:00 -0700, Snit
When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling.
Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
Notice below where you respond with clear anger.
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry?   That you work
around kids bothers me more.
Mattb responded by saying I ran away from calling him out on his anger.
Seriously, WTF?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 00:29:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:55:00 -0700, Snit
When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling.
Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
Notice below where you respond with clear anger.
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry?   That you work
around kids bothers me more.
Mattb responded by saying I ran away from calling him out on his anger.
Seriously, WTF?
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry? That is your normal
look.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:34:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:55:00 -0700, Snit
When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling.
Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
Notice below where you respond with clear anger.
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry?   That you work
around kids bothers me more.
Mattb responded by saying I ran away from calling him out on his anger.
Seriously, WTF?
Mattb saw this and lashed out in anger. Oy.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 00:29:09 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
I'm fine with the areas identified by the CPB.
But you cannot find it.
??? The salient point isn't the locations,
When you speak about "areas" it is very important for you to be able to
say what areas you mean. Kinda key, really.
The only "key" thing is that they're "open" and traversable.
What areas do you mean?
Oh. You have none.
Note, I am not saying none exist -- like the Democrats I back improving
our physical borders and extending them where there is good reason to
think it will make a difference and not just be a huge symbol that harms
America and costs lots of money.
So you want a wall but are against a interesting.
A what? Seriously, what are you even trying to say here?
I do notice you never ask how to pay for the wall that harms America...
but you do ask how we can afford to invest in the future of America and
help those truly in need.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:41:47 UTC
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That is what Carroll keeps saying, even using race as an example and
saying that people of certain races should be seen as more "suspicious"
than people of other races.
This is how Snip contorts the words to fit his agenda. The original
discussion was about people wandering around the border <southern> area
and being stopped .
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 00:44:49 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
That is what Carroll keeps saying, even using race as an example and
saying that people of certain races should be seen as more "suspicious"
than people of other races.
This is how Snip contorts the words to fit his agenda. The original
discussion was about people wandering around the border <southern> area
and being stopped .
It's actually worse than that... he doesn't even understand what *he*
writes, let alone what he's 'read'... and I use that term very loosely
where Snit is concerned ;)
Snit
2019-08-02 01:09:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
That is what Carroll keeps saying, even using race as an example and
saying that people of certain races should be seen as more "suspicious"
than people of other races.
This is how Snip contorts the words to fit his agenda. The original
discussion was about people wandering around the border <southern> area
and being stopped .
It's actually worse than that... he doesn't even understand what *he*
writes, let alone what he's 'read'... and I use that term very loosely
where Snit is concerned ;)
Ah, you two are so cute when you cuddle and whisper sweet meaningless
nothings to each other.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 01:22:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
That is what Carroll keeps saying, even using race as an example and
saying that people of certain races should be seen as more "suspicious"
than people of other races.
This is how Snip contorts the words to fit his agenda. The original
discussion was about people wandering around the border <southern> area
and being stopped .
It's actually worse than that... he doesn't even understand what *he*
writes, let alone what he's 'read'... and I use that term very loosely
where Snit is concerned ;)
Ah, you two are so cute when you cuddle and whisper sweet meaningless
nothings to each other.
Too often you sound about as coherent as Biden in the 1st debate. Of
course, last night, when he closed and stumbled through his website
address (which was wrong anyway, took me to https://joshforamerica.com).
I felt sorry for the guy... and he's in the lead. If the media doesn't
get on the stick will yelling "racist" (instead of "Russia") you guys
may have to suffer through 4 more years ;)
Skeeter
2019-08-02 01:33:24 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
It's actually worse than that... he doesn't even understand what *he*
writes, let alone what he's 'read'... and I use that term very loosely
where Snit is concerned ;)
Ah, you two are so cute when you cuddle and whisper sweet meaningless
nothings to each other.
Do you swallow every hook that drifts by?
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:43:38 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I'm not a 'right winger'
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.........
Why do you defend Trump and his Nazi stooges at every turn, then, kooky?
Pointing out what they can do is not defending them.
You've done more than that, disingenuous k0Ok; you've argued that the
awful things they are doing near the border are somehow "necessary" for
America's "security",
Some of them unquestionably are
At least you readily admit your guilt, goosestepper.
LOL! You might as well face the fact that security and rights are a
balance for citizens and non-citizens alike.
No, rights are never a "balance". They are rights. Absolute.
In Utpoia, perhaps... not here in the real world.
So what balance is there in keeping people free of your harassment?
Be specific: what rights should be tossed out the window to make sure
you never contact me outside of Usenet again, no less my wife, family,
friends, co-workers, employers, neighbors, clients, etc.?
When you are wondering what people are thinking about you? They probably
aren't.
My guess: you will not list ANY rights you should have to give up so
others are more secure from your harassment. And if so you are a
complete and utter hypocrite.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:45:19 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:38:15 +0200, kensi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?
Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.
(Odd. Usually I have to go a *few* more rounds than this with a k0ok
before they're reduced to gibbering incoherence ... *snicker* ...)
This the best you can do. How do you propose they keep the families
together with the facilities they have now?
How about "turn them loose at the nearest bus station after informing
them of their asylum hearing court date"?
And then not insist they go from one state to another to go to their
hearings which leads to low levels of getting to their hearings -- which
is then used against them as a group.
Skeeter has no response to this. Interesting.
We don't change rule of law for outsiders.
Nice move, stupid and childish.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:47:00 UTC
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says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:38:15 +0200, kensi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?
Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.
(Odd. Usually I have to go a *few* more rounds than this with a k0ok
before they're reduced to gibbering incoherence ... *snicker* ...)
This the best you can do. How do you propose they keep the families
together with the facilities they have now?
How about "turn them loose at the nearest bus station after informing
them of their asylum hearing court date"?
And they will go where?
With their families. Some will have family in the states. Others will
need some assistance.
"some" assistance?
If they don't get free stuff like you said before, where will they go
and how will they live?
They will, for the most part, do as others do and work. And they will
help the economy. In fact, with our aging population we have need for
working age and younger people.
Where? To they just pick bus tickets at random and hand them out?
Skeeter
2019-08-02 00:47:51 UTC
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says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between security and
rights.
Going on and on repeating that until you're blue in the face still won't
magically make it come true, kook.
It's already true kook.
You tend to side with Carroll: what liberty should he have to give up so
people are secure from his contacting them outside of Usenet and
harassing them? Be specific.
The conversation had nothing to do with that. It's your obsession with
him that lights up the place.
Snit
2019-08-02 02:13:02 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:57:28 -0700, Snit
...
--
"When I worked at Intuit they needed a system to compute benefits for the tax
season. Took the "expert programmers," a group of 4 I think, TWO YEARS to
get their system to work.
Took me TWO WEEKS, alone, to have a working system.
Yes, when they completed theirs it was faster and better in many ways. No
doubt. But it took them TWO tax seasons to get it to work. Insane."
I've noticed, also why does he go by 'Snit' does it have meaning?
Southern Nevada Institute of Technology... a joke that goes back to the
1980s.
Sure
But that is a side issue to Carroll's admission he cannot imagine
someone getting something done in two weeks. I find that admission by
him to be funny. And quite telling of his incompetence.
He doesn't like you.
I don't like his constantly acting like a pre-teen with all his
trolling, puppets/shills, forgeries, bot scripts, etc.,
How ironic, seeing as how you're the one with the puppets/shills and bot
scripts.
No, no... Carroll is a victim of someone who hacked his Google account
in a way that Google and "several federal agencies" could not stop, and
then they asked him to keep using his account, and then he blamed
himself for having a weak password, and then somehow the "hacker" did
not change the password like any real hacker would.
And then someone made a YouTube account with Carroll's name where they
post videos Carroll refuses to give up copyright to because he admits
they are his, but it is not really his account and... LOL!
These are all things Carroll really insists are true. It is mind boggling.
Anybody can download youtubes and make a new site for them.
Did Carroll post them on another FB account (or some place else where they
can be downloaded)?

And if not his why not file a copyright complaint? I have been on the
receiving end for STATIC I made — repeatedly have to describe to Google /
Youtube how I made it. Anyone can complain about anything it seems.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
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