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2019-08-01 04:37:25 UTC
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Snit
2019-08-01 04:54:19 UTC
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On 7/31/19 8:08 PM, Mattb wrote:
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Haven't seen you evidence on this $725 number? Give is now........
You are the first I have seen to mention a %$725 number.
But the $775 amount has been backed heavily, and shown to be tied to the
people I mostly talk about... the ones I speak of when I repeatedly use
I'm not running just asking for real evidence not you saying because
you say so which is all I see. I need more than a opinion piece like
how can they spend $725 a child per night.
And you have seen it. And ignored it. OK, you are actively ignorant, not
just passively.

That is on you... and really when your primary point is you are going to
ignore evidence you do not want to see what value do you add to a
conversation?
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You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
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You saying so doesn't make it so.
Straw man.
No as you have not given evidence or even a truthful cite.
Do you even know what the term Straw man refers to?
Now backup your claims.
I have given many cites. You pretending they do not exist is of no value
https://www.google.com/search?ei=FkxCXdOcCoSMsQW28aW4AQ&q=%24775+detention+center&oq=%24775+detention+center&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3981.3981..4145...0.0..0.87.87.1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.BEyH6CwyYmY&ved=0ahUKEwjT__TrzeDjAhUERqwKHbZ4CRcQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
None of these I looked at showed HOW they can spend $775 per
night. A detailed listing of cost would be interesting.
They cannot spend that much a night and still treat them so poorly. As I
keep saying: it is a part of the redistribution of money to the very rich.

But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
You see the homeless in
CA and Seattle they live under much worse conditions than these
illegal's who can just go back any time.
It is not a competition, and there is no reason to not help both, nor
any reason to abuse either.
Will you help pay for it? Most liberals just want freebies. A work
ethic is beyond your kind Snit.
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
My being moral does not make the country become moral.
You are not moral by what I have seen. Which alias is moral?
Which alias? Do not even follow what you mean. And where have you seen
me being immoral? Be specific.

I can be specific with you: You and other right wingers are defending
felony child abuse tied to redistribution of money to the for-profit
prison corporations because their parents MIGHT have committed a
misdemeanor (though since seeking asylum is legal that is not even a
given). I cannot back the corporate socialism that you are OK with, and
even worse I will NEVER back child abuse as you do.
You claim to have
worked in taxes how will you do this. DETAILS........
STOP REDISTRIBUTING MONEY TO THE RICH.
How is this done?
How do you stop paying the rich? Well, this is a bigger conversation,
but work to get money out of politics and end Citizens United, etc. But
let's stay focused if you can.
You want to shut down wall street?
Hell no.
You want to tax
people savings? Their 401Ks? Details.
I want to stop being a plutocracy.
Boom. Done.
I mean, really, there are devils in the details, but as a basic plan
that would cover this and MUCH more.
And you are not jumping into back it.
Stop paying the wealthy. Really, a simple concept.
But I back "Democratic Socialism", you back "Corporate Socialism".
That isn't true. You have no idea what I support. You have no
idea what I make a year.
Who the hell cares what you made. And if you say you do not back what
you claim to that is on you -- I only have what you say in here. I do
not research your life.
I support a mix of capitalism and Socialism ideas.
Good to see you joining me and most Americans. Cool!
Just don't
support lazy fucks getting a free ride with my labor.
So you want to stop redistributing money to the rich as I do. Good to
see you change your tune and join me. Awesome.
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Snit
2019-08-01 04:55:00 UTC
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When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling. Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
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Snit
2019-08-01 04:56:01 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:49:52 -0700, Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:02:54 -0700, Snit
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:05:09 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
You support the camps.
I must say, about the camps, what are we supposed to do?
Same as in 1945, of course: Liberate them.
These people come streaming across the border at the rate of 100,000 per
month, are we supposed to put them up at the Hilton?
It would actually cost less than the concentration camps to do so, so ...
maybe?
In any event, in the long term they should be looking for a job and a
place to stay like any other working-class American. In the short term ...
I don't know. But concentration camps clearly is incorrect, on moral *and*
other grounds.
What did Obama do in his terms as he expelled more than Trump is
and where did Obama keep those that choose to enter the US illegally?
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
Fact is we need to fix the system but it is too good a tool for the
Democrats to use during elections.
We spend $775 per kid per night right now... as a part of the US system
of redistributing money to the rich no matter how much it hurts the
poor. And middle class for that matter.
Please cite and give current details on this. True evidence.
First I am surprised you have not heard that the for-profit prison
corporations are getting $775 a night per child... I thought it was
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/07/04/immigration-detention-centers-turn-suffering-into-profit-shame/1623239001/
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For-profit immigration detention centers fail our most basic American values
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The pictures coming from detention centers are heartbreaking.
? Babies on cold concrete floors, not being allowed to sleep, shower or
wash themselves.
? Children not being able to talk to their parents for weeks at a time.
Teenagers forced to provide whatever comfort they can to their younger
cellmates.
? Parents distraught after having their loved ones ripped from their arms.
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The cost to maintain a family bed, which keeps mothers and children
together in a family residential center, costs around $319 a day,
according to DHS. But as of April, children have been separated from
their parents with much higher frequency, which has led to the creation
of ?tent cities? to hold thousands of separated children. Those beds
cost $775 per person per night, HHS officials told NBC News.
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So it's not $775 per night per kid,
It is for those who have been separated from their parents and are held
in by a for-profit prison corporation.
it's only kids who have been
separated from their parents. Is there a problem you have with stating,
you know, facts (without trying to pad things like you usually do)?
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694138106/inside-the-largest-and-most-controversial-shelter-for-migrant-children-in-the-u-
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The average daily cost to care for a child at an influx facility is
about $775 a day, according to Evelyn Stauffer, press secretary at the
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. With nearly 1,600 children
at Homestead, that puts the burn rate at over $1.2 million a day.
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1600... a far cry from the sales pitch you just gave... but still no
details.
Where did I give a different number?
https://truthout.org/articles/the-problem-with-child-detention-isnt-that-its-private-its-that-it-exists/
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Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib were right to oppose a border
spending bill that would further subsidize Trump?s hostage-taking. If we
are to confront the evils at hand, we must do more than throw money at
the very people who are spending $775 per imprisoned child per day ?
enough to house each child in one of Trump?s luxury hotels ? on housing
for children while depriving them of toothbrushes and adequate meals. No
mechanism of state violence has ever been transformed into a just
institution due to an influx of cash. The arguments of Democrats who
insist that they must feed the system that has ensnared these children,
for their own good, are consistent with their bipartisan complicity with
the overall violence of the immigration detention system.
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He asked for details on the *cost*.
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We spend $775 per kid per night right now... as a part of the US system
of redistributing money to the rich no matter how much it hurts the
poor. And middle class for that matter.
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All you see there is the cost. Oy. Do you ever understand anything you read?
.. as in a breakdown as to *why* the
number is so much higher (than common sense would dictate). Get that and
you'll actually be responsive for a change.
Give details on why it cost $775 and where you got that
number????????
I'm betting you can't.
Snit's gone into Raninman mode.
We've lost him.
Michael is a strange one. He has been lost for years.
You guys hate it when I refuse to follow you off topic and go down every
rabbit hole.

I am happy to see you agree with me finally about not paying for the
rich folks who we redistribute money to.
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Snit
2019-08-01 04:57:28 UTC
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On 7/31/19 7:53 PM, Mattb wrote:
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"When I worked at Intuit they needed a system to compute benefits for the tax
season. Took the "expert programmers," a group of 4 I think, TWO YEARS to
get their system to work.
Took me TWO WEEKS, alone, to have a working system.
Yes, when they completed theirs it was faster and better in many ways. No
doubt. But it took them TWO tax seasons to get it to work. Insane."
I've noticed, also why does he go by 'Snit' does it have meaning?
Southern Nevada Institute of Technology... a joke that goes back to the
1980s.

But that is a side issue to Carroll's admission he cannot imagine
someone getting something done in two weeks. I find that admission by
him to be funny. And quite telling of his incompetence.
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Snit
2019-08-01 04:59:17 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
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Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?

That was the question you just dodged.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
Sure... and $1.3B was allocated for that by the Democrats. First offer.
Not so for the Republicans the year before.
Fact is we need to fix the system but it is too good a tool for the
Democrats to use during elections.
Unfortunately.
Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
It's sorta looking that way.
I don't understand how her followers can't see it.
In all fairness, there are plenty of things that come out of
Trump's mouth that his supporters don't appear to see. LOL!
That is very true and he really needs to stop tweeting he can do
without being the center of attention for a month and get some good
things done.
The less he gets done the better, given how he wants to harm the country.
You mean you fear for your freebies. I understand your kind it is
all about the freebies that you let other pay for.
This is you lying about my views. It is weird how you keep saying you
agree with me in general and then lie about my views to try to make it
look otherwise. Just bizarre.
Personally, I care about results, the twitter wars are BS.
Yes I agree. Yet I don't like how the social media sites are
censoring anything not of the Far left. Personally I like seeing all
sides and decide for myself not be controlled.
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Snit
2019-08-01 05:00:07 UTC
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On 7/31/19 7:54 PM, Mattb wrote:
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I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help the actual
people.
You mean get rid of the Republicans so you can steal from people.
No. I mean what I said... though I should have included the corporate
side of the Democrats, too.
They let you near kids that is just wrong.
See: you have insults. You are insecure. I get that. But why not try to
rise above it?
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Snit
2019-08-01 05:00:22 UTC
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I'd bet that no one can... this is probably a ploy to get Congress off
its ass.
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help the actual
people.
So only democrats are right? So much for your equal rights.
Dems give more freebies.
To whom... with cites.
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:02:56 UTC
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That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case. The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
upper-class sexual predator right out of this article:

https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
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Snit
2019-08-01 05:03:11 UTC
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On 7/31/19 7:58 PM, Mattb wrote:
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To give you an idea of how far gone Snit is (think of the details you've
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"When I worked at Intuit
How the hell is Intuit relevant here?
You don't need to worry your pointy head about ;)
I guarantee the poster got my point.
Yes, this Snit has problems and one thing is he never gives evidence
for his claims..
Direct lie on your part. But keep in mind this side issue Carroll
brought up is because he cannot imagine someone getting work done well.
Where is the evidence to support your claim of $725?
Been shown to you repeatedly.
It is truly beyond his thinking to believe it can be done at all.
Meanwhile I am a good problem solver... and he is jealous of that.
Just you saying it isn't good enough.
Absolutely correct... but notice Carroll pointed to an example where I
did a good enough job he could not believe it was possible.

Now that is about my personal life, one cannot prove that. But look at
things like Owl's challenge to download all recipes from a site as PDFs.
I had a solution so good Owl and Peter insisted it was not possible, and
I had my solution faster than Owl had his... and he is a programmer.

Oh, and even in the end my solution offered many benefits over his --
for example my PDFs allowed me to select words to look up, to easily add
annotations, etc. I can show you the video if you care.
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:06:05 UTC
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If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?

SPNAK!
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the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
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Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:31 UTC
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Post by kensi
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?
SPNAK!
Can we set up a voluntary fund to subsidize the meals to of the wealthy? To
subsidize the cost of labor? You want a corporation to be able to pay less
than a living wage — fine, you cover their costs and do not ask me to. You
want Amazon to not have to pay taxes, fine — you pay their share.

But conservatives only ask how to pay to do moral things.
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:07:40 UTC
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Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
You take that back, what you just insinuated about AOC.
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the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:30 UTC
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Post by kensi
Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
You take that back, what you just insinuated about AOC.
I would love to know where he gets his lies from.

And then when shown that the kids cost $775 per night per kid he just
insists he never saw it. So weird.
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:10:05 UTC
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they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
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Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:29 UTC
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Post by kensi
they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
It is his racist crap again.
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:12:53 UTC
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I'd rather my funds go to help the homeless American
citizens in the USA and to help rebuild our infrastructure
Then vote Sanders in the primary and in the general.
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the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:28 UTC
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Post by kensi
I'd rather my funds go to help the homeless American
citizens in the USA and to help rebuild our infrastructure
Then vote Sanders in the primary and in the general.
Absolutely!
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:29:41 UTC
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<...>
As I've said before, Snit *HATES* rights-- especially equal rights.
He'd like nothing better than to see anyone labeled as a
"conservative" marched off to a "camp" and experimented on.
I'd like to experiment on Snit's head with a
ten-pound sledge hammer. LOL.
K0okThr3At!!11!
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kensi
2019-08-01 05:33:15 UTC
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@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Outer filthers are scum.
*ducks into small interior room in basement and waits for
planetary-surface-sterilizing blast wave to pass*
Well, there goes every single irony meter ever manufactured,
simultaneously. And here I'd thought it would be a nuclear war that did it!
I have never outer filthed anyone.
You've been complicit in efforts to do so, koOk, every time you've
perpetuated any of the "Derbyshire" mythology or accused anyone of being
one of his socks. That you've missed the mark in every such case does
not absolve you of having harbored the intent to outer filth.
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the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
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