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Snit
2019-08-01 04:54:19 UTC
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On 7/31/19 8:08 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
Haven't seen you evidence on this $725 number? Give is now........
You are the first I have seen to mention a %$725 number.
But the $775 amount has been backed heavily, and shown to be tied to the
people I mostly talk about... the ones I speak of when I repeatedly use
I'm not running just asking for real evidence not you saying because
you say so which is all I see. I need more than a opinion piece like
how can they spend $725 a child per night.
And you have seen it. And ignored it. OK, you are actively ignorant, not
just passively.

That is on you... and really when your primary point is you are going to
ignore evidence you do not want to see what value do you add to a
conversation?
-----
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
-----
You saying so doesn't make it so.
Straw man.
No as you have not given evidence or even a truthful cite.
Do you even know what the term Straw man refers to?
Now backup your claims.
I have given many cites. You pretending they do not exist is of no value
https://www.google.com/search?ei=FkxCXdOcCoSMsQW28aW4AQ&q=%24775+detention+center&oq=%24775+detention+center&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3981.3981..4145...0.0..0.87.87.1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.BEyH6CwyYmY&ved=0ahUKEwjT__TrzeDjAhUERqwKHbZ4CRcQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
None of these I looked at showed HOW they can spend $775 per
night. A detailed listing of cost would be interesting.
They cannot spend that much a night and still treat them so poorly. As I
keep saying: it is a part of the redistribution of money to the very rich.

But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
You see the homeless in
CA and Seattle they live under much worse conditions than these
illegal's who can just go back any time.
It is not a competition, and there is no reason to not help both, nor
any reason to abuse either.
Will you help pay for it? Most liberals just want freebies. A work
ethic is beyond your kind Snit.
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
My being moral does not make the country become moral.
You are not moral by what I have seen. Which alias is moral?
Which alias? Do not even follow what you mean. And where have you seen
me being immoral? Be specific.

I can be specific with you: You and other right wingers are defending
felony child abuse tied to redistribution of money to the for-profit
prison corporations because their parents MIGHT have committed a
misdemeanor (though since seeking asylum is legal that is not even a
given). I cannot back the corporate socialism that you are OK with, and
even worse I will NEVER back child abuse as you do.
You claim to have
worked in taxes how will you do this. DETAILS........
STOP REDISTRIBUTING MONEY TO THE RICH.
How is this done?
How do you stop paying the rich? Well, this is a bigger conversation,
but work to get money out of politics and end Citizens United, etc. But
let's stay focused if you can.
You want to shut down wall street?
Hell no.
You want to tax
people savings? Their 401Ks? Details.
I want to stop being a plutocracy.
Boom. Done.
I mean, really, there are devils in the details, but as a basic plan
that would cover this and MUCH more.
And you are not jumping into back it.
Stop paying the wealthy. Really, a simple concept.
But I back "Democratic Socialism", you back "Corporate Socialism".
That isn't true. You have no idea what I support. You have no
idea what I make a year.
Who the hell cares what you made. And if you say you do not back what
you claim to that is on you -- I only have what you say in here. I do
not research your life.
I support a mix of capitalism and Socialism ideas.
Good to see you joining me and most Americans. Cool!
Just don't
support lazy fucks getting a free ride with my labor.
So you want to stop redistributing money to the rich as I do. Good to
see you change your tune and join me. Awesome.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:13:15 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:54:19 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
...
Haven't seen you evidence on this $725 number? Give is now........
You are the first I have seen to mention a %$725 number.
But the $775 amount has been backed heavily, and shown to be tied to the
people I mostly talk about... the ones I speak of when I repeatedly use
I'm not running just asking for real evidence not you saying because
you say so which is all I see. I need more than a opinion piece like
how can they spend $725 a child per night.
And you have seen it. And ignored it. OK, you are actively ignorant, not
just passively.
That is on you... and really when your primary point is you are going to
ignore evidence you do not want to see what value do you add to a
conversation?
Sounds like a liberal lie to me. I would need to know how it can cost
that?
Post by Snit
-----
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
-----
You saying so doesn't make it so.
Straw man.
No as you have not given evidence or even a truthful cite.
Do you even know what the term Straw man refers to?
Now backup your claims.
I have given many cites. You pretending they do not exist is of no value
https://www.google.com/search?ei=FkxCXdOcCoSMsQW28aW4AQ&q=%24775+detention+center&oq=%24775+detention+center&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3981.3981..4145...0.0..0.87.87.1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.BEyH6CwyYmY&ved=0ahUKEwjT__TrzeDjAhUERqwKHbZ4CRcQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
None of these I looked at showed HOW they can spend $775 per
night. A detailed listing of cost would be interesting.
They cannot spend that much a night and still treat them so poorly. As I
keep saying: it is a part of the redistribution of money to the very rich.
Then you can prove this? Details........
Post by Snit
But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
Then you are unable to prove that number is accurate. I thought as
much. Sounds like a AOC type lie.
Post by Snit
You see the homeless in
CA and Seattle they live under much worse conditions than these
illegal's who can just go back any time.
It is not a competition, and there is no reason to not help both, nor
any reason to abuse either.
Will you help pay for it? Most liberals just want freebies. A work
ethic is beyond your kind Snit.
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
My being moral does not make the country become moral.
You are not moral by what I have seen. Which alias is moral?
Which alias?
You have used many in your life.
Post by Snit
Do not even follow what you mean. And where have you seen
me being immoral? Be specific.
When you lie or post numbers you can not provide evidence for.
Post by Snit
I can be specific with you: You and other right wingers are defending
felony child abuse tied to redistribution of money to the for-profit
prison corporations because their parents MIGHT have committed a
misdemeanor (though since seeking asylum is legal that is not even a
given). I cannot back the corporate socialism that you are OK with, and
even worse I will NEVER back child abuse as you do.
Well I wonder if you are a pedophile and run a daycare?
Post by Snit
You claim to have
worked in taxes how will you do this. DETAILS........
STOP REDISTRIBUTING MONEY TO THE RICH.
How is this done?
How do you stop paying the rich? Well, this is a bigger conversation,
but work to get money out of politics and end Citizens United, etc. But
let's stay focused if you can.
The you can not give your proposal just BS. I thought as much.
Post by Snit
You want to shut down wall street?
Hell no.
Then what is your proposal?
Post by Snit
You want to tax
people savings? Their 401Ks? Details.
I want to stop being a plutocracy.
We aren't but look at Venezuela and you will see AOC type socialism
isn't any better. I balance is needed but we do not need freeloading
liberals that use taxes to buy votes.
Post by Snit
Boom. Done.
I mean, really, there are devils in the details, but as a basic plan
that would cover this and MUCH more.
And you are not jumping into back it.
Stop paying the wealthy. Really, a simple concept.
But I back "Democratic Socialism", you back "Corporate Socialism".
That isn't true. You have no idea what I support. You have no
idea what I make a year.
Who the hell cares what you made. And if you say you do not back what
you claim to that is on you -- I only have what you say in here. I do
not research your life.
You lack the means and skills for that.
Post by Snit
I support a mix of capitalism and Socialism ideas.
Good to see you joining me and most Americans. Cool!
Most republicans support that. Just not freebies living off the
State all their lives. Also not to spend taxes on illegal immigrants,
we have citizens in need spend it on them and send the illegals home.
Post by Snit
Just don't
support lazy fucks getting a free ride with my labor.
So you want to stop redistributing money to the rich as I do. Good to
see you change your tune and join me. Awesome.
I want my taxes going to do good and not support freeloaders of any
kind. Yet to date you talk about "redistributing money" and yet do
not define that. Companies make a profit for what is invested do you
believe a owner should make the same as a worker? If I spend say 1.2
million opening a office in a city do I not have the right to get that
back?
kensi
2019-08-01 06:33:28 UTC
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Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:54:19 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
Then you are unable to prove that number is accurate. I thought as
much. Sounds like a AOC type lie.
Retract your unfounded smear of AOC. Or else.

And as to the number:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy#Fiscal_costs_and_diversion_of_resources

"It costs $775 per person per night to house the children"

It's such a well-established fact that it's in Wikipedia. With a
citation footnote link. In short, it's not in dispute, at least by
non-delusional people.
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the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
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in here." ~Checkmate
Mattb
2019-08-01 09:09:45 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:33:28 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:54:19 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
Then you are unable to prove that number is accurate. I thought as
much. Sounds like a AOC type lie.
Retract your unfounded smear of AOC. Or else.
Right you are not a problem. AOC is worthless.
Post by kensi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy#Fiscal_costs_and_diversion_of_resources
"It costs $775 per person per night to house the children"
It's such a well-established fact that it's in Wikipedia. With a
citation footnote link. In short, it's not in dispute, at least by
non-delusional people.
Right NBC news? Please where is the data. CNN and NBC are hardly
reliable unless they can give raw data.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:55:50 UTC
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In article <qhu13p$ucc$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:54:19 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
Then you are unable to prove that number is accurate. I thought as
much. Sounds like a AOC type lie.
Retract your unfounded smear of AOC. Or else.
Fuck that AOC cunt, I hope she gets hit by a bus.
Post by kensi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy#Fiscal_costs_and_diversion_of_resources
"It costs $775 per person per night to house the children"
It's such a well-established fact that it's in Wikipedia. With a
citation footnote link. In short, it's not in dispute, at least by
non-delusional people.
Wikipedia is not "well established".
Snit
2019-08-01 16:05:56 UTC
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Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:54:19 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
...
Haven't seen you evidence on this $725 number? Give is now........
You are the first I have seen to mention a %$725 number.
But the $775 amount has been backed heavily, and shown to be tied to the
people I mostly talk about... the ones I speak of when I repeatedly use
I'm not running just asking for real evidence not you saying because
you say so which is all I see. I need more than a opinion piece like
how can they spend $725 a child per night.
And you have seen it. And ignored it. OK, you are actively ignorant, not
just passively.
That is on you... and really when your primary point is you are going to
ignore evidence you do not want to see what value do you add to a
conversation?
Sounds like a liberal lie to me. I would need to know how it can cost
that?
You denying evidence is on you... even if you blame others. Remember,
you have been shown multiple sources noting the figure of $775 dollars.
Per night. Per child.

This is a number so high you cannot imagine it is true. The only way it
can be true, especially with the horrible conditions there, is for you
to admit I am right about this being largely about redistributing money
to the very rich. And you are not going to admit that I am right about that.

We live in a plutocracy... your shock and awe at the $775 figure -- so
strong your mind cannot wrap around it no matter how much evidence you
are shown -- shows how caught up you are in it. You are, at some level,
facing your worship of the rich. You have taken your first step...
though I suspect this is where you turn around running, leaving a
torrent of insults in your wake.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
-----
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
-----
You saying so doesn't make it so.
Straw man.
No as you have not given evidence or even a truthful cite.
Do you even know what the term Straw man refers to?
Now backup your claims.
I have given many cites. You pretending they do not exist is of no value
https://www.google.com/search?ei=FkxCXdOcCoSMsQW28aW4AQ&q=%24775+detention+center&oq=%24775+detention+center&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3981.3981..4145...0.0..0.87.87.1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.BEyH6CwyYmY&ved=0ahUKEwjT__TrzeDjAhUERqwKHbZ4CRcQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
None of these I looked at showed HOW they can spend $775 per
night. A detailed listing of cost would be interesting.
They cannot spend that much a night and still treat them so poorly. As I
keep saying: it is a part of the redistribution of money to the very rich.
Then you can prove this? Details........
Post by Snit
But if you want to see their internal balance sheets I do not have
access to those.
Then you are unable to prove that number is accurate. I thought as
much. Sounds like a AOC type lie.
Post by Snit
You see the homeless in
CA and Seattle they live under much worse conditions than these
illegal's who can just go back any time.
It is not a competition, and there is no reason to not help both, nor
any reason to abuse either.
Will you help pay for it? Most liberals just want freebies. A work
ethic is beyond your kind Snit.
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
My being moral does not make the country become moral.
You are not moral by what I have seen. Which alias is moral?
Which alias?
You have used many in your life.
Post by Snit
Do not even follow what you mean. And where have you seen
me being immoral? Be specific.
When you lie or post numbers you can not provide evidence for.
Post by Snit
I can be specific with you: You and other right wingers are defending
felony child abuse tied to redistribution of money to the for-profit
prison corporations because their parents MIGHT have committed a
misdemeanor (though since seeking asylum is legal that is not even a
given). I cannot back the corporate socialism that you are OK with, and
even worse I will NEVER back child abuse as you do.
Well I wonder if you are a pedophile and run a daycare?
Post by Snit
You claim to have
worked in taxes how will you do this. DETAILS........
STOP REDISTRIBUTING MONEY TO THE RICH.
How is this done?
How do you stop paying the rich? Well, this is a bigger conversation,
but work to get money out of politics and end Citizens United, etc. But
let's stay focused if you can.
The you can not give your proposal just BS. I thought as much.
Post by Snit
You want to shut down wall street?
Hell no.
Then what is your proposal?
Post by Snit
You want to tax
people savings? Their 401Ks? Details.
I want to stop being a plutocracy.
We aren't but look at Venezuela and you will see AOC type socialism
isn't any better. I balance is needed but we do not need freeloading
liberals that use taxes to buy votes.
Post by Snit
Boom. Done.
I mean, really, there are devils in the details, but as a basic plan
that would cover this and MUCH more.
And you are not jumping into back it.
Stop paying the wealthy. Really, a simple concept.
But I back "Democratic Socialism", you back "Corporate Socialism".
That isn't true. You have no idea what I support. You have no
idea what I make a year.
Who the hell cares what you made. And if you say you do not back what
you claim to that is on you -- I only have what you say in here. I do
not research your life.
You lack the means and skills for that.
Post by Snit
I support a mix of capitalism and Socialism ideas.
Good to see you joining me and most Americans. Cool!
Most republicans support that. Just not freebies living off the
State all their lives. Also not to spend taxes on illegal immigrants,
we have citizens in need spend it on them and send the illegals home.
Post by Snit
Just don't
support lazy fucks getting a free ride with my labor.
So you want to stop redistributing money to the rich as I do. Good to
see you change your tune and join me. Awesome.
I want my taxes going to do good and not support freeloaders of any
kind. Yet to date you talk about "redistributing money" and yet do
not define that. Companies make a profit for what is invested do you
believe a owner should make the same as a worker? If I spend say 1.2
million opening a office in a city do I not have the right to get that
back?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-01 16:07:27 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
So you want to stop redistributing money to the rich as I do. Good to
see you change your tune and join me. Awesome.
I want my taxes going to do good and not support freeloaders of any
kind.
You are becoming backing a social democracy. Excellent! Welcome to the left!
Post by Mattb
Yet to date you talk about "redistributing money" and yet do
not define that. Companies make a profit for what is invested do you
believe a owner should make the same as a worker?
Why would the owner not make more? He or she has put more in and has
more risk. Your idea there is absurd.
Post by Mattb
If I spend say 1.2
million opening a office in a city do I not have the right to get that
back?
Why not?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-01 04:55:00 UTC
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When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling. Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:00:52 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:55:00 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling. Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry? That you work
around kids bothers me more.
Snit
2019-08-01 16:00:00 UTC
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Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:55:00 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
When Carroll snips dishonestly I use this to bypass his trolling. Others
who troll, such as you, do not like it.
That is an added bonus.
When it says Snit answering Snit makes you look like a idiot.
Your anger is your issue. Best wishes.
Notice below where you respond with clear anger.
Post by Mattb
Why would you looking like a idiot make me angry? That you work
around kids bothers me more.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-01 04:56:01 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:49:52 -0700, Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:02:54 -0700, Snit
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:05:09 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
You support the camps.
I must say, about the camps, what are we supposed to do?
Same as in 1945, of course: Liberate them.
These people come streaming across the border at the rate of 100,000 per
month, are we supposed to put them up at the Hilton?
It would actually cost less than the concentration camps to do so, so ...
maybe?
In any event, in the long term they should be looking for a job and a
place to stay like any other working-class American. In the short term ...
I don't know. But concentration camps clearly is incorrect, on moral *and*
other grounds.
What did Obama do in his terms as he expelled more than Trump is
and where did Obama keep those that choose to enter the US illegally?
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
Fact is we need to fix the system but it is too good a tool for the
Democrats to use during elections.
We spend $775 per kid per night right now... as a part of the US system
of redistributing money to the rich no matter how much it hurts the
poor. And middle class for that matter.
Please cite and give current details on this. True evidence.
First I am surprised you have not heard that the for-profit prison
corporations are getting $775 a night per child... I thought it was
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/07/04/immigration-detention-centers-turn-suffering-into-profit-shame/1623239001/
-----
For-profit immigration detention centers fail our most basic American values
...
The pictures coming from detention centers are heartbreaking.
? Babies on cold concrete floors, not being allowed to sleep, shower or
wash themselves.
? Children not being able to talk to their parents for weeks at a time.
Teenagers forced to provide whatever comfort they can to their younger
cellmates.
? Parents distraught after having their loved ones ripped from their arms.
...
The cost to maintain a family bed, which keeps mothers and children
together in a family residential center, costs around $319 a day,
according to DHS. But as of April, children have been separated from
their parents with much higher frequency, which has led to the creation
of ?tent cities? to hold thousands of separated children. Those beds
cost $775 per person per night, HHS officials told NBC News.
-----
So it's not $775 per night per kid,
It is for those who have been separated from their parents and are held
in by a for-profit prison corporation.
it's only kids who have been
separated from their parents. Is there a problem you have with stating,
you know, facts (without trying to pad things like you usually do)?
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694138106/inside-the-largest-and-most-controversial-shelter-for-migrant-children-in-the-u-
-----
The average daily cost to care for a child at an influx facility is
about $775 a day, according to Evelyn Stauffer, press secretary at the
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. With nearly 1,600 children
at Homestead, that puts the burn rate at over $1.2 million a day.
-----
1600... a far cry from the sales pitch you just gave... but still no
details.
Where did I give a different number?
https://truthout.org/articles/the-problem-with-child-detention-isnt-that-its-private-its-that-it-exists/
-----
Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib were right to oppose a border
spending bill that would further subsidize Trump?s hostage-taking. If we
are to confront the evils at hand, we must do more than throw money at
the very people who are spending $775 per imprisoned child per day ?
enough to house each child in one of Trump?s luxury hotels ? on housing
for children while depriving them of toothbrushes and adequate meals. No
mechanism of state violence has ever been transformed into a just
institution due to an influx of cash. The arguments of Democrats who
insist that they must feed the system that has ensnared these children,
for their own good, are consistent with their bipartisan complicity with
the overall violence of the immigration detention system.
-----
He asked for details on the *cost*.
-----
We spend $775 per kid per night right now... as a part of the US system
of redistributing money to the rich no matter how much it hurts the
poor. And middle class for that matter.
-----
All you see there is the cost. Oy. Do you ever understand anything you read?
.. as in a breakdown as to *why* the
number is so much higher (than common sense would dictate). Get that and
you'll actually be responsive for a change.
Give details on why it cost $775 and where you got that
number????????
I'm betting you can't.
Snit's gone into Raninman mode.
We've lost him.
Michael is a strange one. He has been lost for years.
You guys hate it when I refuse to follow you off topic and go down every
rabbit hole.

I am happy to see you agree with me finally about not paying for the
rich folks who we redistribute money to.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:22:37 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:56:01 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:49:52 -0700, Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:02:54 -0700, Snit
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:05:09 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
You support the camps.
I must say, about the camps, what are we supposed to do?
Same as in 1945, of course: Liberate them.
These people come streaming across the border at the rate of 100,000 per
month, are we supposed to put them up at the Hilton?
It would actually cost less than the concentration camps to do so, so ...
maybe?
In any event, in the long term they should be looking for a job and a
place to stay like any other working-class American. In the short term ...
I don't know. But concentration camps clearly is incorrect, on moral *and*
other grounds.
What did Obama do in his terms as he expelled more than Trump is
and where did Obama keep those that choose to enter the US illegally?
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
Fact is we need to fix the system but it is too good a tool for the
Democrats to use during elections.
We spend $775 per kid per night right now... as a part of the US system
of redistributing money to the rich no matter how much it hurts the
poor. And middle class for that matter.
Please cite and give current details on this. True evidence.
First I am surprised you have not heard that the for-profit prison
corporations are getting $775 a night per child... I thought it was
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/07/04/immigration-detention-centers-turn-suffering-into-profit-shame/1623239001/
-----
For-profit immigration detention centers fail our most basic American values
...
The pictures coming from detention centers are heartbreaking.
? Babies on cold concrete floors, not being allowed to sleep, shower or
wash themselves.
? Children not being able to talk to their parents for weeks at a time.
Teenagers forced to provide whatever comfort they can to their younger
cellmates.
? Parents distraught after having their loved ones ripped from their arms.
...
The cost to maintain a family bed, which keeps mothers and children
together in a family residential center, costs around $319 a day,
according to DHS. But as of April, children have been separated from
their parents with much higher frequency, which has led to the creation
of ?tent cities? to hold thousands of separated children. Those beds
cost $775 per person per night, HHS officials told NBC News.
-----
So it's not $775 per night per kid,
It is for those who have been separated from their parents and are held
in by a for-profit prison corporation.
it's only kids who have been
separated from their parents. Is there a problem you have with stating,
you know, facts (without trying to pad things like you usually do)?
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694138106/inside-the-largest-and-most-controversial-shelter-for-migrant-children-in-the-u-
-----
The average daily cost to care for a child at an influx facility is
about $775 a day, according to Evelyn Stauffer, press secretary at the
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. With nearly 1,600 children
at Homestead, that puts the burn rate at over $1.2 million a day.
-----
1600... a far cry from the sales pitch you just gave... but still no
details.
Where did I give a different number?
https://truthout.org/articles/the-problem-with-child-detention-isnt-that-its-private-its-that-it-exists/
-----
Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib were right to oppose a border
spending bill that would further subsidize Trump?s hostage-taking. If we
are to confront the evils at hand, we must do more than throw money at
the very people who are spending $775 per imprisoned child per day ?
enough to house each child in one of Trump?s luxury hotels ? on housing
for children while depriving them of toothbrushes and adequate meals. No
mechanism of state violence has ever been transformed into a just
institution due to an influx of cash. The arguments of Democrats who
insist that they must feed the system that has ensnared these children,
for their own good, are consistent with their bipartisan complicity with
the overall violence of the immigration detention system.
-----
He asked for details on the *cost*.
-----
We spend $775 per kid per night right now... as a part of the US system
of redistributing money to the rich no matter how much it hurts the
poor. And middle class for that matter.
-----
All you see there is the cost. Oy. Do you ever understand anything you read?
.. as in a breakdown as to *why* the
number is so much higher (than common sense would dictate). Get that and
you'll actually be responsive for a change.
Give details on why it cost $775 and where you got that
number????????
I'm betting you can't.
Snit's gone into Raninman mode.
We've lost him.
Michael is a strange one. He has been lost for years.
You guys hate it when I refuse to follow you off topic and go down every
rabbit hole.
I am happy to see you agree with me finally about not paying for the
rich folks who we redistribute money to.
I'd need to see how this figure of $775 was come up with. It is all
in the details. Did that include the cost of the tent, beds, desk
and other items as well as food, medical and schooling? It that every
day? You lack details just post for a agenda.
Snit
2019-08-01 04:57:28 UTC
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On 7/31/19 7:53 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
--
"When I worked at Intuit they needed a system to compute benefits for the tax
season. Took the "expert programmers," a group of 4 I think, TWO YEARS to
get their system to work.
Took me TWO WEEKS, alone, to have a working system.
Yes, when they completed theirs it was faster and better in many ways. No
doubt. But it took them TWO tax seasons to get it to work. Insane."
I've noticed, also why does he go by 'Snit' does it have meaning?
Southern Nevada Institute of Technology... a joke that goes back to the
1980s.

But that is a side issue to Carroll's admission he cannot imagine
someone getting something done in two weeks. I find that admission by
him to be funny. And quite telling of his incompetence.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-01 04:59:17 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?

That was the question you just dodged.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
Sure... and $1.3B was allocated for that by the Democrats. First offer.
Not so for the Republicans the year before.
Fact is we need to fix the system but it is too good a tool for the
Democrats to use during elections.
Unfortunately.
Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
It's sorta looking that way.
I don't understand how her followers can't see it.
In all fairness, there are plenty of things that come out of
Trump's mouth that his supporters don't appear to see. LOL!
That is very true and he really needs to stop tweeting he can do
without being the center of attention for a month and get some good
things done.
The less he gets done the better, given how he wants to harm the country.
You mean you fear for your freebies. I understand your kind it is
all about the freebies that you let other pay for.
This is you lying about my views. It is weird how you keep saying you
agree with me in general and then lie about my views to try to make it
look otherwise. Just bizarre.
Personally, I care about results, the twitter wars are BS.
Yes I agree. Yet I don't like how the social media sites are
censoring anything not of the Far left. Personally I like seeing all
sides and decide for myself not be controlled.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:17:11 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?
That was the question you just dodged.
You've dodged most questions so far.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
Sure... and $1.3B was allocated for that by the Democrats. First offer.
Not so for the Republicans the year before.
OK Then they need to get to work.
Fact is we need to fix the system but it is too good a tool for the
Democrats to use during elections.
Unfortunately.
Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
It's sorta looking that way.
I don't understand how her followers can't see it.
In all fairness, there are plenty of things that come out of
Trump's mouth that his supporters don't appear to see. LOL!
That is very true and he really needs to stop tweeting he can do
without being the center of attention for a month and get some good
things done.
The less he gets done the better, given how he wants to harm the country.
You mean you fear for your freebies. I understand your kind it is
all about the freebies that you let other pay for.
This is you lying about my views. It is weird how you keep saying you
agree with me in general and then lie about my views to try to make it
look otherwise. Just bizarre.
I am a moderate on most issues and it is the degree of extremism I
have a problem with left or right. On this issue I want illegals
expelled and the funds given to help Americans in need.
Personally, I care about results, the twitter wars are BS.
Yes I agree. Yet I don't like how the social media sites are
censoring anything not of the Far left. Personally I like seeing all
sides and decide for myself not be controlled.
kensi
2019-08-01 06:26:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-

Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:32:18 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
kensi
2019-08-01 06:38:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?

Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.

(Odd. Usually I have to go a *few* more rounds than this with a k0ok
before they're reduced to gibbering incoherence ... *snicker* ...)
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Mattb
2019-08-01 09:06:22 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:38:15 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?
Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.
(Odd. Usually I have to go a *few* more rounds than this with a k0ok
before they're reduced to gibbering incoherence ... *snicker* ...)
This the best you can do. How do you propose they keep the families
together with the facilities they have now?

Simple question.
Snit
2019-08-01 15:59:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:38:15 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?
Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.
(Odd. Usually I have to go a *few* more rounds than this with a k0ok
before they're reduced to gibbering incoherence ... *snicker* ...)
This the best you can do. How do you propose they keep the families
together with the facilities they have now?
Simple question.
You running around gibbering "open borders" when nobody is backing this
is not healthy. It shows you are fear-based, not reason-based.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-01 16:22:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:38:15 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:26:46 +0200, kensi
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?
Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.
(Odd. Usually I have to go a *few* more rounds than this with a k0ok
before they're reduced to gibbering incoherence ... *snicker* ...)
This the best you can do. How do you propose they keep the families
together with the facilities they have now?
Simple question.
Start with the idea that following court orders demanding the end to
immoral practices is important.

Can we at least agree to start there? If so we can move forward in a
healthier way.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:57:33 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhu1co$ucc$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
Post by kensi
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
How can they do this with what they have? Have open borders?
What?
Someone call 9-1-1. It looks like Mattb's having a stroke.
So no refute, just insults.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:57:01 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhu0n7$slc$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Post by Mattb
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:59:17 -0700, Snit
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Which one did Trump ignore?<SPANK>
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746746147/aclu-administration-is-still-separating-migrant-families-despite-court-order-to-
Why are you arguing here if you're such a n00b you don't even know how
to google, Mattb?
NPR? Really?
Snit
2019-08-01 05:00:07 UTC
Permalink
On 7/31/19 7:54 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help the actual
people.
You mean get rid of the Republicans so you can steal from people.
No. I mean what I said... though I should have included the corporate
side of the Democrats, too.
They let you near kids that is just wrong.
See: you have insults. You are insecure. I get that. But why not try to
rise above it?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:20:13 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:00:07 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
...
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help the actual
people.
You mean get rid of the Republicans so you can steal from people.
No. I mean what I said... though I should have included the corporate
side of the Democrats, too.
The you support pure socialism like AOC. Thought as much.
Post by Snit
They let you near kids that is just wrong.
See: you have insults. You are insecure. I get that. But why not try to
rise above it?
Lets see you insult over and over and bitch when I say a statement you
should not be allowed near a daycare, and never should have been.
Snit
2019-08-01 05:00:22 UTC
Permalink
I'd bet that no one can... this is probably a ploy to get Congress off
its ass.
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help the actual
people.
So only democrats are right? So much for your equal rights.
Dems give more freebies.
To whom... with cites.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-01 06:18:31 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:00:22 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
I'd bet that no one can... this is probably a ploy to get Congress off
its ass.
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help the actual
people.
So only democrats are right? So much for your equal rights.
Dems give more freebies.
To whom... with cites.
What do you call entitlements without end. I believe in temporary
help not life long freebies. Illegals should get none.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:02:56 UTC
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That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case. The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
upper-class sexual predator right out of this article:

https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:35:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by kensi
That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case. The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
But you're not down with stereotyping or anything. LOL!
Snit
2019-08-01 15:35:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case. The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
But you're not down with stereotyping or anything. LOL!
Are you OK with Kavanaugh lying to get to the Supreme Court?

https://www.gq.com/story/all-of-brett-kavanaughs-lies

You can (and will) whine about the source but the quotes are there.

He proved himself unfit -- but you and other right wingers care more
about partisanship than about qualifications. You put party over county.
To be fair I see some of that on the left, too, such as those who cry
about Sanders being an independent... and thus they will not vote for
him. Just insane.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 15:49:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case. The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
But you're not down with stereotyping or anything. LOL!
Are you OK with Kavanaugh lying to get to the Supreme Court?
What has that to do with the obvious stereotyping hypocrite kensi
railed me over?
Snit
2019-08-01 15:57:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case.  The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
But you're not down with stereotyping or anything. LOL!
Are you OK with Kavanaugh lying to get to the Supreme Court?
Carroll ran from this question. He cannot even bring himself to deny
Kavanaugh lied or pretend he was fit for the office he got.
Post by Snit
https://www.gq.com/story/all-of-brett-kavanaughs-lies
You can (and will) whine about the source but the quotes are there.
He proved himself unfit -- but you and other right wingers care more
about partisanship than about qualifications. You put party over county.
To be fair I see some of that on the left, too, such as those who cry
about Sanders being an independent... and thus they will not vote for
him. Just insane.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 16:07:43 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
That is why the standard in court
is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In casual conversation, though, we use
the term proof more loosely...i
LOL! That's an understatement where *you* are concerned.
There are some cases where guilt is obvious, despite the inability to
prove it, in court or otherwise.
The OJ case was one such case. The Kavanaugh case is not.
Sure it is. The guy's a textbook example of a white, privileged,
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
But you're not down with stereotyping or anything. LOL!
Are you OK with Kavanaugh lying to get to the Supreme Court?
https://www.gq.com/story/all-of-brett-kavanaughs-lies
You can (and will) whine about the source but the quotes are there.
He proved himself unfit -- but you and other right wingers care more
about partisanship than about qualifications. You put party over county.
To be fair I see some of that on the left, too, such as those who cry
about Sanders being an independent... and thus they will not vote for
him. Just insane.
Hoe did he prove himself unfit? Not opinion, but fact.
Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-01 16:14:35 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials

The FBI and several United States congressional committees have been investigating links between Russian government officials or their affiliates and individuals associated with Donald Trump, the current President of the United States, since he was a candidate for the office as part of their investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Some of Trump's campaign members, business partners, administration nominees, and family members have been subjected to intense scrutiny following intelligence reports on such Russian interference. The investigations have revealed that a number of them had various types of links to or contacts with Russian officials, business people, banks, and Russian intelligence agencies. Several investigations are underway to determine whether Trump or any of his associates have had improper dealings during their contacts with Russian officials.[1][2][3][4]

FBI investigations began in late July 2016 and are ongoing.[5] In May 2017, former FBI Director Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel in the FBI's investigation.[6] The Senate Intelligence Committee[7] and the House Intelligence Committee are also conducting inquiries.[8] In May 2017, Glenn A. Fine, the acting Defense Department Inspector General, confirmed he was investigating Michael Flynn for misleading Pentagon investigators about his income from companies in Russia and contacts with officials there when he applied for a renewal of his top-secret security clearance.[9] In October 2017, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates were indicted and arrested.[10] Flynn and George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the Russia investigation.

The New York Times reported on February 14, 2017, that phone records and communications intercepts showed that Trump associates—including members of the Trump campaign—had "repeated contacts" with senior Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 campaign. Paul Manafort was the only Trump associate who was specifically identified as participating in these communications.[11] CNN reported on March 23, 2017, that the FBI was examining "human intelligence, travel, business and phone records and accounts of in-person meetings" indicating that Trump associates may have coordinated with "suspected Russian operatives" to release damaging information about the Hillary Clinton campaign.[12] CNN reported on September 19, 2017, that Manafort had been a target of a FISA wiretap both before and after the 2016 election—beginning sometime after he became the subject of an FBI investigation in 2014—and extending into early 2017. Some of the intercepted communications raised concerns among investigators that Manafort had solicited assistance from Russians for the campaign, although the evidence was reportedly inconclusive.[13] On April 30, 2018, The New York Times published a list of interview questions for Trump that the Mueller investigation had provided to the president's attorneys. Among the questions was "What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?"[14]

On March 22, 2019, Special Counsel Robert Mueller concluded a lengthy investigation and submitted a final report. On March 24, 2019, Attorney General William Barr sent a four-page letter summarizing that report to the heads and ranking members of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees which stated that Mueller "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election."[15][16] On March 27, Mueller privately wrote to Barr, stating that the March 24 Barr letter "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of [the special counsel's] office's work and conclusions", resulting in "public confusion about critical aspects of the results of [the] investigation". Mueller requested Barr release the Mueller Report's introductions and executive summaries ahead of the report; Barr declined.[17]


Contents
1 Overview
1.1 2016 campaign
1.2 2017
1.2.1 Intelligence services
1.2.2 Newspaper reports
1.2.3 FBI help
1.2.4 Washington Post letter
1.2.5 March 2017
1.3 2019
2 Trump administration members
2.1 Michael Flynn
2.2 Jared Kushner
2.3 Wilbur Ross
2.4 Anthony Scaramucci
2.5 Jeff Sessions
2.6 Rex Tillerson
3 Trump campaign members
3.1 Michael R. Caputo
3.2 Paul Manafort
3.3 Rick Gates
3.4 Carter Page
3.5 George Papadopoulos
3.6 Roger Stone
3.7 Donald Trump Jr.
4 Trump business partners
4.1 Michael Cohen
5 Trump supporters
5.1 Nigel Farage
5.2 Andrei Nikolaev
5.3 Erik Prince
5.4 Peter W. Smith
6 Trump–Russia dossier
7 See also
8 References
9 Further reading
10 External links
Overview
For many years, there has been intensive public scrutiny of Trump's ties to Russia.[18][19] In a book excerpt published in Politico, former Guardian Russia correspondent Luke Harding stated that files declassified in 2016 indicated that Czech spies closely followed Trump and then-wife Ivana Trump in Manhattan and during trips to Czechoslovakia in the time after their marriage in 1977.[20][21] Natalia and Irina Dubinin, daughters of then-Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin, are cited as indicating that a seemingly chance meeting of their father with Trump in the autumn of 1986, was part of Dubinin's assignment to establish contact with America's business elite and a determined effort by the Soviet government to cultivate Trump in particular.[20]

This effort extended through a series of subsequent events, also documented in Donald Trump's book The Art of the Deal, including a meeting in 1986 between the Ambassador and Trump at Trump Tower and Dubinin's subsequent invitation to Trump to visit Moscow (which was handled via KGB-affiliated Intourist and the future Russian Permanent Representative to the United Nations Vitaly Churkin).[20] Harding also asserts that the "top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB... The spy chief [Vladimir Kryuchkov] wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans."[20] Harding cited Trump as writing in The Art that the trip included a tour of "a half dozen potential sites for a hotel, including several near Red Square" and that he "was impressed with the ambition of Soviet officials to make a deal".[20]

Through January 2019, The Moscow Project — an initiative of the liberal Center for American Progress Action Fund — had documented 101 contacts between sixteen Trump associates and Russia-linked individuals during the Trump campaign or transition.[22]

2016 campaign
During the 2016 campaign, Trump repeatedly praised Russian president Vladimir Putin as a strong leader, leading to jokes about their "bromance".[23][24]

On various occasions from 2013 to 2015, Trump has said regarding Putin, "I do have a relationship with him", "I met him once", and "I spoke indirectly and directly with President Putin, who could not have been nicer". However, from 2016, during Trump's election campaign, Trump's stance changed. During a press conference Trump claimed, "I never met Putin, I don't know who Putin is ... Never spoken to him", and during another interview Trump said, "I have no relationship with him".[25]

2017
Several Trump advisers, including former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and former campaign manager Paul Manafort, have been connected to Russian officials, or to Viktor Yanukovich and other pro-Russian Ukrainian officials.[26][27]

Russian agents were overheard during the campaign saying they could use Manafort and Flynn to influence Trump.[where?][when?][by whom?][28] Members of Trump's campaign, and later his White House staff, particularly Flynn and Jared Kushner, were in contact with Russian government officials both before and after the November election,[29] including some contacts which they initially did not disclose.[30] As of May 2017, the FBI is investigating several alleged links between Trump associates and representatives of the Russian government.[31]

Intelligence services
British and Dutch intelligence services have given information to their United States counterparts about meetings in European cities between Russian officials, associates of Putin, and associates of then-President-elect Trump. American intelligence agencies also intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Trump associates.[32]

Newspaper reports
The Wall Street Journal reported that United States intelligence agencies monitoring Russian espionage found Kremlin officials discussing Trump's associates in the spring of 2015. At the time, U.S. intelligence analysts were reportedly confused, but not alarmed, by these intercepted conversations. In July 2017, the conversations were re-examined in light of a recently disclosed Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.[33][34]

The New York Times reported that multiple Trump associates, including Manafort and other members of his campaign, had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016, although officials said that, so far, they do not have evidence that Trump's campaign had cooperated with the Russians to influence the election. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[35] Flynn and now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions subsequently confirmed contacts after having initially denied them.[32]

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told CNN that the "electoral process" was not discussed during these meetings, and that Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak had also met with "people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary" during the campaign.[36]

Chest height portrait of man in his sixties wearing a suit and tie
Russian diplomat Sergey Kislyak met with a number of U.S. officials.
In particular, Kislyak met with several Trump campaign members, transition team members, and administration nominees. Involved people dismissed those meetings as routine conversations in preparation for assuming the presidency. Trump's team has issued at least twenty denials concerning communications between his campaign and Russian officials;[37] several of which later turned out to be false.[38]

FBI help
The Trump administration reportedly asked the FBI for help in countering news reports about alleged contacts with Russia.[39]

Former ambassadors Michael McFaul and John Beyrle said they were "extremely troubled" by the evidence of Russian interference in the U.S. election. Both supported an independent investigation into the matter, but dismissed as "preposterous" the allegations that Kislyak participated in it, particularly through his meetings with the Trump campaign: "Kislyak's job is to meet with government officials and campaign people," McFaul stated. "People should meet with the Russian Ambassador and it's wrong to criminalize that or discourage it."[40]

Washington Post letter
According to three officials who reviewed a letter sent to The Washington Post in December 2016, a meeting took place in Trump Tower on December 1 or 2 between Kushner, Kislyak, and Flynn. In the meeting, Kushner is alleged to have requested that a direct Russian-encrypted communications channel be set up to allow secret communication with Russia which would circumvent safeguards in place by the United States intelligence community. The goal would be to allow Flynn to speak directly to Russian military officials about Syria and other issues. No such communications channel was actually set up, according to the sources.[41]

After the meeting, Kislyak sent a report of the meeting to the Kremlin using what he thought were secure channels, but it was intercepted by American intelligence. Kislyak was reportedly taken aback by the request and expressed concern of the security implications that would be at stake in having an American use secure communications between the Kremlin and diplomatic outposts.[42][43]

March 2017
Former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell stated in March 2017 that he had seen no evidence of collusion between Trump and the Kremlin. "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all," Morell said.[1]

In a March 2017 interview, James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence under President Obama, said that at the time of the intelligence community's report on the issue in January 2017, there was no evidence of any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives.[2] Former FBI Director James Comey, who was dismissed from his position in May 2017, subsequently testified under oath as follows: "In one conversation, Trump suggested that if there were some 'satellite' associates of his who did something wrong, it would be good to find that out."[44]

David A. Graham, staff writer at The Atlantic, has written: "It's no wonder Trump is upset about the dossier, but his mantra that 'there was no collusion [and] everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion' rings false these days. While there's not yet any public evidence to indicate a crime was committed, or that Trump was involved, it is clear that the Trump campaign and later transition were eager to work with Russia, and to keep that secret."[45]

2019
After 22 months of investigation, Special Counsel Robert Mueller submitted his report to the Justice Department on March 22, 2019.[46] It was summarized by Attorney General William Barr in conjunction with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. In Barr's summary of the report, he told the Senate Judiciary and House Judiciary Committee's chairs and ranking members that Mueller "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election."[15][16]

The Barr summary was confirmed by the released report, a redacted copy being made available to the public.

Trump administration members
Michael Flynn
See also: Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) § Michael Flynn

Flynn statement of offense
In December 2015, Michael Flynn was paid $45,000 by Russia Today, a Kremlin-supported television channel, for delivering a talk in Moscow, and Russia provided him a three-day, all-expenses-paid trip.[9] As a retired military intelligence officer, Flynn was required to obtain prior permission from the Defense Department and the State Department before receiving any money from foreign governments; Flynn apparently did not seek that approval before the RT speech.[47] Two months later, in February 2016 when he was applying for renewal of his security clearance, he stated he had received no income from foreign companies and had only "insubstantial contact" with foreign nationals.[48] Glenn A. Fine, the acting Defense Department Inspector General, confirmed he is investigating Flynn.[9]

On November 10, 2016, President Obama warned President-elect Trump against hiring Flynn.[49][50] Trump appointed Flynn as National Security Advisor on November 18, 2016, but Flynn was forced to resign on February 13, 2017, after it was revealed that on December 29, 2016, the day Obama announced sanctions against Russia, Flynn discussed the sanctions by phone with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Flynn had earlier acknowledged speaking to Kislyak but denied discussing the sanctions.[51][52]

On March 2, 2017, The New York Times reported that Flynn and Kushner met with Kislyak in December 2016 to establish a line of communication between the Trump administration and the Russian government.[53] In May 2017, it was further reported that at that December meeting, Kushner and Flynn asked the Russians to set up a direct, encrypted communications channel with Moscow, so that Flynn could speak directly to Russian military officials about Syria and other matters without the knowledge of American intelligence agencies. Kislyak was hesitant to allow Americans access to Russia's secure communications network, and no such channel was actually set up.[42][43]

On May 31, 2017, the House Intelligence Committee served Flynn with subpoenas for testimony and production of personal documents and business records.[54][55] On September 13, The Wall Street Journal reported that Flynn promoted a multibillion-dollar Middle Eastern Russian-backed nuclear plant project while working in the White House.[56] The project involved building 40 nuclear reactors across the Middle East, with security provided by Rosoboron, a Russian state-owned arms exporter that is under American sanctions.[57] On September 15, BuzzFeed reported that Flynn, Kushner, and Bannon secretly met with King Abdullah II of Jordan on January 5, 2017, to press for the nuclear power plant project.[58]

On December 1, 2017, Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI,[59] and is yet to be sentenced.

Jared Kushner
The special counsel investigated Kushner's finances, business activities, and meetings with Russian banker Sergey Gorkov and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.[60]

In April 2017, it was reported that Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior advisor, Jared Kushner, on his application for top secret security clearance, failed to disclose numerous meetings with foreign officials, including Sergey Kislyak and Sergey Gorkov, the head of the Russian state-owned bank Vnesheconombank. Kushner's lawyers called the omissions "an error". Vnesheconombank said the meeting was business-related, in connection with Kushner's management of Kushner Companies. However, the Trump administration provided a different explanation, saying it was a diplomatic meeting.[61]

According to U.S. officials, investigators believe that Kushner has important information regarding the FBI investigation.[62] In mid-December 2016, when Trump "was openly feuding with American intelligence agencies", Kushner met for thirty minutes with Russian banker Sergey N. Gorkov, "whose financial institution was deeply intertwined with Russian intelligence" and is "under sanction by the United States". By late May 2017, the meeting had "come under increasing scrutiny" by the Senate Intelligence Committee, as "current and former American officials" said "it may have been part of an effort by Mr. Kushner to establish a direct line to Mr. Putin outside established diplomatic channels."[42][63]

Wilbur Ross
As reported in the Paradise Papers, Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross has shares in Navigator, a publicly traded shipping company that has contracts with The Russian gas company Sibur, held in off-shore accounts. Co-owners of Sibur have ties to Vladimir Putin and are under U.S. sanctions.[64]

Anthony Scaramucci
In July, 2017, Anthony Scaramucci, a Trump campaign member who was appointed White House Communications Director, was involved in discussions about joint investments between his firm and a sanctioned Russian government fund. Scaramucci met with Kirill Dmitriev, head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, a $10 billion state investment firm under U.S. government sanctions. Scaramucci confirmed the meeting took place, saying he had "long known" Dmitriev, and criticized American sanctions as ineffective.[65] In June 2017, CNN published a story about an alleged congressional investigation into Scaramucci's relationship with the fund. However, the story was quickly retracted as "not solid enough to publish as-is", and resulted in the resignation of three CNN employees.[66]

Jeff Sessions

Attorney General Jeff Sessions
In March 2017, it was revealed that while still a U.S. Senator, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, an early and prominent supporter of Trump's campaign, spoke twice with Russian ambassador Kislyak before the election – once in July 2016 and once in September 2016. At his January 10 confirmation hearing to become Attorney General, he stated he was not aware of any contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, adding that he "did not have communications with the Russians." On March 1, 2017, he stated his answer had not been misleading, clarifying that he had "never met with any Russian officials to discuss issues of the campaign."[67] On March 2, 2017, after meeting with senior career officials at the Justice Department, Sessions announced that he would recuse himself from any investigations into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election.[68] In such investigations, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has served as the Acting Attorney General. On January 23, 2018, The New York Times reported that Sessions had been interviewed by Mueller's team the previous week.[69][70]

Rex Tillerson
Former ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson, who was appointed Secretary of State by President Trump, has close ties to Russia and Vladimir Putin. He managed the Russia account of ExxonMobil, and was appointed Exxon CEO in 2006 largely on the strength of his Russian relationships. In 2011, Tillerson struck a major deal with Russia and its state-owned oil company Rosneft, giving ExxonMobil access to oil resources in the Russian Arctic. In recognition, Tillerson was awarded the Russian Order of Friendship, Russia's highest decoration for foreign citizens. Tillerson has known Putin since his work in Russia during the 1990s, and according to John Hamre, "he has had more interactive time with Vladimir Putin than probably any other American with the exception of Henry Kissinger".[71][72][73]

Trump campaign members
Michael R. Caputo
Republican public relations and media consultant Michael R. Caputo worked for Gazprom in Russia, and later as an adviser on the Trump campaign. Caputo lived in Russia from 1994 to 2000, employed by Gazprom-Media, and at the end of that period he contracted with Gazprom to do public relations work oriented toward raising Vladimir Putin's support level in the U.S.[74][75][76] He returned to the U.S. where his former mentor Roger Stone convinced him to move to Miami Beach, Florida; there Caputo founded a media advising company. Caputo moved back to Europe in 2007 while advising a politician's campaign for parliament in Ukraine.[77] Caputo worked as the campaign manager for Carl Paladino's 2010 run for Governor of New York state.[78][79] Caputo was put in charge of the Trump campaign's communications for the New York state Republican primary from approximately November 2015 to April 2016, then left the campaign in the summer of 2016. In an inquiry by the House Intelligence Committee as part of their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Caputo denied having ties to the Russian government while working on the Trump campaign.[74][80] On June 18, 2018, Caputo admitted in a CNN interview that he told the Mueller investigation about his contacts with Henry Greenberg, a Russian claiming to have information about Hillary Clinton, in contrast to what he told the House Intelligence Committee in 2017.[81][82] Caputo has since modified his testimony to the now closed House Intelligence Committee investigation to reflect his contact with Henry Greenberg.[82]

Paul Manafort
Further information: Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) § Paul Manafort and Rick Gates
See also: Trials of Paul Manafort

Grand jury indictment against Paul J. Manafort Jr. and Richard W. Gates III, unsealed October 30, 2017.
On February 14, 2017, The New York Times reported that Paul Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[35] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump.[83] On June 2, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller assumed the criminal probe into Manafort,[84] which predates the 2016 election and the counterintelligence probe that in July 2016 began investigating possible collusion between Moscow and associates of Trump. Manafort was forced to resign as Trump campaign chairman in August 2016 amid questions over his business dealings in Ukraine years earlier.[84] On September 18, 2017, CNN reported that the FBI wiretapped Manafort from 2014 until an unspecified date in 2016 and again from the fall of 2016 until early 2017, pursuant to two separate Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court orders. It has not been confirmed that Trump's conversations with Manafort were intercepted as part of this surveillance. CNN also confirmed that "Mueller's team ... has been provided details of these communications."[85]

In October 2017, Manafort was indicted by a federal grand jury and arrested on twelve criminal charges including conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as an agent of a foreign power, and false statements.[86] The charges arose from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[87] Manafort pleaded not guilty and was placed under house arrest.[88] On February 22, 2018, Manafort was indicted on 32 federal charges including tax evasion, money laundering and fraud relating to their foreign lobbying before, during and after the 2016 campaign.[89] The following day, after Rick Gates plead guilty to some charges, he was indicted on two additional charges relating to pro-Russian lobbying in the United States.[90]

On September 14, Manafort entered a plea deal with prosecutors, pleading guilty to a charge of conspiracy against the US and a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice, while also agreeing to co-operate with the Special Counsel investigation.[91] Mueller's office stated in a November 26, 2018, court filing that while supposedly co-operating Manafort had repeatedly lied about a variety of matters, breaching the terms of his plea agreement.[92] On December 7, 2018, the special counsel's office filed a document with the court listing five areas in which they say Manafort lied to them.[93] In January 2019, Manafort's lawyers submitted a filing to the court in response to this accusation. Through an error in redacting, the document accidentally revealed that while he was campaign chairman, Manafort met with Konstantin Kilimnik, who is believed to be linked to Russian intelligence. The filing says Manafort gave him polling data related to the 2016 campaign and discussed a Ukrainian peace plan with him.[94]

Rick Gates
Rick Gates, a longtime business partner and protege of Paul Manafort, was a senior member of the Trump campaign. He continued to work for Trump after Manafort's resignation and Trump's election as President, but in March 2017 was forced to resign from a pro-Trump lobbying group due to questions about his Russia ties. Gates worked with Manafort to promote Viktor Yanukovych and pro-Russian factions in Ukraine. Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska was the biggest investor in Davis Manafort, a lobbying and investment firm that employed Gates.[95][96][97]

In October 2017, Gates was indicted by a federal grand jury and arrested on twelve criminal charges including conspiracy, money laundering, failure to register as an agent of a foreign power, and false statements.[86] The charges arose from his consulting work for the pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[87] Gates pleaded not guilty and was placed under house arrest.[88] On February 22, 2018, Gates was indicted on 38 federal charges including tax evasion, money laundering and fraud relating to their foreign lobbying before, during and after the 2016 campaign.[89] The following day, Gates plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States and agreed to cooperate with Mueller investigation.[98] The second set of indictments were to stand pending Gates' cooperation and assistance in the Mueller investigation.

Carter Page
In a March 2016 interview, Trump identified Carter Page, who had previously been an investment banker in Moscow, as a foreign policy adviser in his campaign.[99] Page became a foreign policy adviser to Trump in the summer of 2016. During the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, Page's past contacts with Russians came to public attention.[100] In 2013, Page met with Viktor Podobnyy, then a junior attaché at the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, at an energy conference, and provided him with documents on the U.S. energy industry.[101] Page later said he provided only "basic immaterial information and publicly available research documents" to Podobnyy.[100] Podobnyy was later one of a group of three Russian men charged by U.S. authorities for participation in a Russian spy ring. Podobnyy and one of the other men were protected by diplomatic immunity from prosecution; a third man, who was spying for Russia under non-diplomatic cover, pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as an unregistered foreign agent and was sentenced to prison.[100] The men had attempted to recruit Page to work for the SVR, a Russian intelligence service. The FBI interviewed Page in 2013 as part of an investigation into the spy ring, but decided that he had not known the man was a spy, and never accused Page of wrongdoing.[100]

Page was dropped from the Trump team after reports that he was under investigation by federal authorities.[102] The FBI and the Justice Department obtained a FISA warrant to monitor Page's communications during October 2016, after they made the case that there was probable cause to think Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power. Page told The Washington Post that he considered that to be "unjustified, politically motivated government surveillance."[99] According to the Nunes memo, the 90-day warrant was renewed three times.

In February 2017, Page stated he had no meetings with Russian officials during 2016, but two days later did not deny meeting with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland. Page's revised account occurred after news reports revealed that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had likewise met with Kislyak. In March 2017, Page was called on by the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating links between the Trump campaign and Russian government.[103][104] On March 9, 2017, Hope Hicks, a Trump spokesperson, distanced the campaign from Page, stating that Page was an "informal foreign policy adviser" who did "not speak for Mr. Trump or the campaign."[105] In September 2017, Page filed a defamation lawsuit against the media company Oath Inc. for its outlets' reporting of his alleged meetings with Russian officials.[106] The suit was dismissed in March 2018 for lacking factual accusations of defamation.[107]

George Papadopoulos

George Papadopolous, of Chicago, Illinois, pleaded guilty on October 5, 2017, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001. The case was unsealed on October 30, 2017.
In March 2016, George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser on the Trump campaign, sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line "Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin", offering to set up "a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump". Trump campaign advisers Sam Clovis and Charles Kubic objected to this proposed meeting.[108] In May 2016, Ivan Timofeev, an official for the Russian International Affairs Council, emailed Papadopoulos about setting up a meeting with Trump and Russian officials in Moscow. Papadopoulos forwarded the email to Paul Manafort, who responded, "We need someone to communicate that [Trump] is not doing these trips."[109][110]

Papadopoulos was arrested in July 2017 and has since been cooperating with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.[111] In October 2017 he pleaded guilty to a single charge of making a false statement to FBI investigators.[112] The guilty plea was part of a plea bargain in which he agreed to cooperate with the government and "provide information regarding any and all matters as to which the Government deems relevant."[113]

Following this, on September 7, 2018, Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in prison, 12 months supervised release, 200 hours of community service and was fined $9,500.[114]

Roger Stone
Roger Stone, a former adviser to Donald Trump and self-proclaimed political "dirty trickster", said in March 2017 that during August 2016, he had been in contact with Guccifer 2.0, a hacker persona who publicly claimed responsibility for at least one hack of the DNC, believed to be operated by Russian intelligence.[115] In a 2019 filing, prosecutors claimed Stone communicated with Wikileaks, and sought details about the scope of information stolen from the Democratic Party.[116] Just prior to the election, the Clinton campaign accused Stone of having prior knowledge of the hacks, after he wrote, "Trust me, it will soon [sic] the Podesta's time in the barrel" on Twitter shortly before Wikileaks released the Podesta emails.[117] Stone claimed he was actually referring to reports of the Podesta Group's own ties to Russia.[118] In his opening statement before the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on September 26, 2017, Stone reiterated this explanation: "Note that my tweet of August 21, 2016, makes no mention whatsoever of Mr. Podesta's email, but does accurately predict that the Podesta brothers' business activities in Russia ... would come under public scrutiny."[119] Stone has reportedly stated privately to some Republican colleagues that he has communicated with Julian Assange on at least one occasion, although Stone and his two attorneys have since denied this.[120] Instead, Stone has "clarified ... that the two have a mutual journalist friend", who Stone ultimately named as Randy Credico.[118][121]

Stone awaits trial on charged of witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements.[122][123] Stone pleaded not guilty and denied wrongdoing in press interviews.[124]

Donald Trump Jr.
In May 2016, Donald Trump Jr. met with Aleksandr Torshin and Maria Butina at an N.R.A.-sponsored dinner. Both Torshin and Butina worked to broker a secret meeting between then-candidate Trump and Russian president Putin.[125]

Main article: Trump campaign–Russian meeting
On June 9, 2016, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort had a meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya after being promised information about Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr. told The New York Times the meeting was about the Magnitsky Act.[126] However, in emails proposing the meeting, publicist Rob Goldstone did not mention the Magnitsky Act and instead promised "documents and information that would incriminate Hillary" as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump", to which Donald Trump Jr. responded, "if it's what you say I love it."[127][128]

On October 9, 2017, CNN reported that Scott S. Balber, formerly a lawyer for Donald Trump and now the billionaire Agalarov's[who?] lawyer, obtained a memo from Veselnitskaya which showed that her focus at the meeting was repealing the Magnitsky Act sanctions, "not providing damaging information on Clinton".[129] Subsequently, Foreign Policy published the full memo she took to the meeting.[130]

Trump business partners
Michael Cohen
On May 30, 2017, as inquiries into alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. election expanded, both the House and Senate congressional panels asked President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen, who is one of Trump's closest confidants,[131] to provide information and testimony about any communications he had with people connected to the Kremlin.[132][131]

On May 31, 2017, the House Intelligence Committee served Cohen with subpoenas for testimony and production of personal documents and business records.[54][55]

Trump supporters
Nigel Farage
On June 1, 2017, The Guardian reported that Nigel Farage, former leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party and one of the first non-American political figures to meet Trump following the election, was a person of interest in the FBI investigation, which Farage denied. Farage had previously met the Russian Ambassador to the United Kingdom Alexander Yakovenko, Roger Stone and Julian Assange, and The Guardian's source was quoted as saying, "If you triangulate Russia, WikiLeaks, Assange and Trump associates, the person who comes up with the most hits is Nigel Farage".[133]

Andrei Nikolaev
Andrei Nikolaev, son of Russian billionaire businessman Konstantin Nikolaev who financially supported Maria Butina from 2012 to 2014, is a Trump supporter that volunteered at the Trump Campaign headquarters and was in the Washington D.C. Trump International Hotel during Trump's inauguration in January 2017.[134][135][136]

Erik Prince
On April 3, 2017, The Washington Post reported that around January 11, 2017, nine days before Donald Trump's inauguration, Erik Prince, founder of the Blackwater security company, secretly met with an unidentified Russian who is close to Vladimir Putin, in the Seychelles. The Trump administration said it was "not aware of any meetings" and said that Prince was not involved in the Trump transition. According to U.S., European, and Arab officials, the meeting was arranged by the United Arab Emirates and the purpose was to establish a back-channel link between Trump and Putin. The UAE and Trump's associates reportedly tried to convince Russia to limit its support to Iran and Syria. Prince also appeared to have close ties to Trump's chief strategist, Stephen Bannon.[137] The Seychelles meeting took place after previous meetings in New York between Trump associates and officials from Russia and the Emirates, while official contacts between the Trump administration and Russian agents were coming under close scrutiny from the press and the U.S. intelligence community. U.S. officials said the FBI is investigating the Seychelles meeting; the FBI, however, refused to comment.[138]

Two intelligence officials confirmed to NBC News that the Seychelles meeting took place. One of them corroborated The Washington Post's account, but said it is not clear whether the initiative to arrange a meeting came from the UAE or Trump's associates and that no Trump transition people were directly involved. A second official said that the meeting was about "Middle East policy, to cover Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Iran", not Russia.[139]

Prince's spokesperson said, "Erik had no role on the transition team, this is a complete fabrication. The meeting had nothing to do with President Trump. Why is the so-called under-resourced intelligence community messing around with surveillance of American citizens when they should be hunting terrorists?" A senior Trump administration official called the story of a Trump-Putin back-channel "ridiculous".[139]

The New York Times reported on May 19, 2018, that Donald Trump Jr. met with intermediary George Nader, Erik Prince, and Joel Zamel in Trump Tower on August 3, 2016. Nader reportedly told Trump Jr. the crown princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE were eager to help his father win the election, and Zamel pitched a social media manipulation campaign. Trump Jr. reportedly responded favorably and Nader subsequently had frequent meetings with Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner.[140] The Times reported that Prince had arranged the August 2016 meeting; Prince had stated in his November 30, 2017, testimony to the House Intelligence Committee that he had no formal communications or contact, nor any unofficial role, with the Trump campaign.[141]

Peter W. Smith
In a May 2017 interview with the Wall Street Journal, Peter W. Smith, with a long history of Republican donation and support, said he had set up an operation to try to obtain emails from Russian hackers, which he believed had been deleted from Hillary Clinton's computer server. He claimed to be working on behalf of Trump campaign advisor Michael Flynn.[142][143][144] In ill health, days later, the 81-year-old Smith committed suicide.[145]

Trump–Russia dossier
Main article: Trump–Russia dossier

August 22, 2017, Fusion GPS testimony transcript of Glenn R. Simpson
On October 31, 2016, a week before the election, David Corn of Mother Jones magazine reported that an unnamed former intelligence officer had produced a report (later referred to as a dossier) based on Russian sources and had turned it over to the FBI.[146] The officer, who was familiar to the FBI and was known for the quality of his past work, was later identified as Christopher Steele. The FBI found Steele and his information credible enough that it considered paying Steele to continue collecting information, but the release of the document to the public stopped discussions between Steele and the FBI.[147] Corn said the main points in the unverified report were that Moscow had tried to cultivate Donald Trump for years, that it possessed compromising or potentially embarrassing material about him that could possibly be used to blackmail him, and that there had been a flow of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin[148] which involved multiple in-person meetings between Russian government officials and individuals working for Trump.[149][150] The dossier also claimed that the Kremlin's goal had been to "encourage splits and divisions in the Western alliance".[146]

On January 10, 2017, CNN reported that classified documents presented to Obama and Trump the previous week included allegations that Russian operatives possessed "compromising personal and financial information" about Trump. CNN stated it would not publish specific details on the memos because they had not yet "independently corroborated the specific allegations".[151] Following CNN's report, BuzzFeed then published a 35-page dossier that it said was the basis of the briefing.[152] The document included unverified claims that Russian operatives had worked with the Trump campaign to help him get elected, and also alleged that Russia had collected "embarrassing material" involving Trump that could be used to blackmail him.[153] Trump denounced the unverified claims as false, saying it was "disgraceful" for U.S. intelligence agencies to report on them.[154][155]

On March 30, 2017, Paul Wood of BBC News revealed that the FBI was using the dossier as a roadmap for its investigation.[156] On April 18, 2017, CNN reported that information from the dossier had been used as part of the basis for renewing a FISA warrant to continue monitoring former Trump foreign policy advisor Carter Page in October 2016.[157]

On January 9, 2018, the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Dianne Feinstein, unilaterally released the transcript of Fusion GPS' Glenn R. Simpson from August 22, 2017.[158]








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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump

Lawsuits around United States Constitution
Lawsuit alleging violations of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Knight First Amendment Institute v. Trump[1]
PEN America v. Trump
CNN v. Trump
Lawsuit alleging violations of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
New York v. Trump (the DACA lawsuit)
Lawsuit alleging violations of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Stone v. Trump
Lawsuits alleging violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution
CREW v. Trump (dismissed)
D.C. and Maryland v. Trump'[2][3] (dismissed)
Blumenthal v. Trump
Lawsuits around Executive Orders
Legal challenges to Executive Order 13768, regarding sanctuary cities
City and County of San Francisco v. Trump
City of Chelsea v. Trump[4]
Legal challenges to Executive Order 13769, regarding temporary immigration restrictions
Aziz v. Trump
Darweesh v. Trump
Doe v. Trump
Louhghalam v. Trump
Mohammed v. United States
Sarsour v. Trump
Washington v. Trump
Legal challenges to Executive Order 13780, a revised order on temporary immigration restrictions
Hawaii v. Trump
International Refugee Assistance Project v. Trump
Washington v. Trump
Lawsuit around Presidential Proclamations
Legal challenge to Presidential Proclamation "Addressing Mass Migration Through the Southern Boarder of the United States" ("Proclamation") 83 Fed. Reg. 57,661, which expressly invokes 8 U.S.C. § 1182
East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Trump[5]
Lawsuits around Presidential Memorandums
Lawsuits regarding Presidential Memorandum on Military Service by Transgender Individuals by Donald Trump (August 25, 2017)
Jane Doe v. Trump[6]
Stone v. Trump
Karnoski v. Trump
Stockman v. Trump[7]
Lawsuits around potential legal violations
Lawsuit alleging violations of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2207
CREW and National Security Archive v. Trump and EOP
Lawsuits challenging Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity alleging violations of the Federal Advisory Committee Act
ACLU v. Trump and Pence
Joyner v. Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity
NAACP v. Trump
Lawsuit alleging violation of 12 U.S.C. § 5491(b)(5)(B), a component of the Dodd–Frank Act of 2010
English v. Trump
Lawsuits around the United States Census
Regarding the 2020 United States Census[8][9]
Department of Commerce v. New York
New York Immigration Coalition v. United States Department of Commerce
Lawsuits around Trump political campaigns
Lawsuit alleging Russian interference in the 2016 Federal Elections, the Trump campaign was accused of engaging in a racketeering enterprise in conjunction with Russia and WikiLeaks
Democratic National Committee v. Russian Federation
Lawsuit regarding a pattern of persistent illegal conduct, occurring over more than a decade, that includes extensive unlawful political coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing transactions to benefit Mr. Trump’s personal and business interests, and violations of basic legal obligations for non-profit foundations
State of NY v. The Trump Foundation[10]
Lawsuit in which plaintiffs alleged Trump's security team assaulted them during a 2015 peaceful protest based around Trump's campaign comments about Black Lives Matter and Mexican Immigrants
Galicia v. Trump[11]
Lawsuits around potential sexual misconduct and assault
Lawsuit by former campaign staffer who claims that Trump forcibly kissed her at a rally in Florida in August 2016, the lawsuit also alleges unequal pay standards for her an African-American woman compared to others on the team
Johnson v Trump[12]
Defamation lawsuit raised by Summer Zervos which arose from Trump's statement that she lied about sexual assault allegations against him
Zervos v Trump[13]
Lawsuits around financial manipulation and employee payment
Lawsuit alleging violations of employee payment regarding not paying him for "thousands of hours of overtime" to which he was legally entitled during his more than two decades of service
Cintron v. Trump Organization[14][15]
Lawsuit alleging that Trump and his adult children had made large money by encouraging unsophisticated investors to join fraudulent schemes
Doe et al. v. Trump Corp. et al.[16]
Lawsuits around environmental concerns
Lawsuit brought by Our Children's Trust using the public trust doctrine to address the effects of global warming.[17][18]
Juliana v. United States
All current pending prosecution
Pending prosecution of Roger Stone (Roger J. Stone Jr.) by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, expected November 2019[19]
Pending prosecution of former Paul Manafort associate Gregory B. Craig for lying to the Justice Department about work he did for the government of Ukraine by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia[19]
Pending criminal prosecution of Paul Manafort on state mortgage fraud charges by the New York County District Attorney[19]
Orestes Fintiklis, majority owner of former-Trump International Hotel & Tower Panama regarding tax evasion.[20][21][22][23][24]
ACN Inc. (American Communications Network)[25]
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2019-08-01 05:03:11 UTC
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On 7/31/19 7:58 PM, Mattb wrote:
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To give you an idea of how far gone Snit is (think of the details you've
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"When I worked at Intuit
How the hell is Intuit relevant here?
You don't need to worry your pointy head about ;)
I guarantee the poster got my point.
Yes, this Snit has problems and one thing is he never gives evidence
for his claims..
Direct lie on your part. But keep in mind this side issue Carroll
brought up is because he cannot imagine someone getting work done well.
Where is the evidence to support your claim of $725?
Been shown to you repeatedly.
It is truly beyond his thinking to believe it can be done at all.
Meanwhile I am a good problem solver... and he is jealous of that.
Just you saying it isn't good enough.
Absolutely correct... but notice Carroll pointed to an example where I
did a good enough job he could not believe it was possible.

Now that is about my personal life, one cannot prove that. But look at
things like Owl's challenge to download all recipes from a site as PDFs.
I had a solution so good Owl and Peter insisted it was not possible, and
I had my solution faster than Owl had his... and he is a programmer.

Oh, and even in the end my solution offered many benefits over his --
for example my PDFs allowed me to select words to look up, to easily add
annotations, etc. I can show you the video if you care.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:06:05 UTC
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If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?

SPNAK!
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Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:31 UTC
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Post by kensi
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?
SPNAK!
Can we set up a voluntary fund to subsidize the meals to of the wealthy? To
subsidize the cost of labor? You want a corporation to be able to pay less
than a living wage — fine, you cover their costs and do not ask me to. You
want Amazon to not have to pay taxes, fine — you pay their share.

But conservatives only ask how to pay to do moral things.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:49:31 UTC
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Snit
2019-08-01 15:29:46 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by kensi
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?
SPNAK!
Can we set up a voluntary fund to subsidize the meals to of the wealthy? To
subsidize the cost of labor? You want a corporation to be able to pay less
than a living wage — fine, you cover their costs and do not ask me to.
Carroll ran... he has no answer to this. He has no honest response...
only personal attacks and insults ans he shows his jealousy of my education.
LOL! Why are you pretending you're anything other than a net drain on
the economy? You hold two taxpayer funded degrees, one of them a
Masters! And you sit on your ass all day on usenet and have for at least
15 years. The idea that you're 'paying' for anything is absurd.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 15:34:29 UTC
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Snit
2019-08-01 15:58:23 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by kensi
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?
SPNAK!
Can we set up a voluntary fund to subsidize the meals to of the wealthy? To
subsidize the cost of labor? You want a corporation to be able to pay less
than a living wage — fine, you cover their costs and do not ask me to.
Carroll ran... he has no answer to this. He has no honest response...
only personal attacks and insults ans he shows his jealousy of my education.
Carroll again snipped and ran.
Post by Snit
LOL! Why are you pretending you're anything other than a net drain on
the economy? You hold two taxpayer funded degrees, one of them a
Masters! And you sit on your ass all day on usenet and have for at least
15 years. The idea that you're 'paying' for anything is absurd.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 16:09:24 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by kensi
If you want to set them set up in motels have the liberals/democrats
set up a voluntary fund so the only those that want to can donate and
pay for the illegal's.
As opposed to now, when the taxpayer pays GEO Group *more* per head to
house them in much worse conditions?
SPNAK!
Can we set up a voluntary fund to subsidize the meals to of the wealthy? To
subsidize the cost of labor? You want a corporation to be able to pay less
than a living wage — fine, you cover their costs and do not ask me to.
Carroll ran... he has no answer to this. He has no honest response...
only personal attacks and insults ans he shows his jealousy of my education.
LOL! Why are you pretending you're anything other than a net drain on
the economy? You hold two taxpayer funded degrees, one of them a
Masters! And you sit on your ass all day on usenet and have for at least
15 years. The idea that you're 'paying' for anything is absurd.
You forgot to snip his answer that you said he didn't have.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:07:40 UTC
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Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
You take that back, what you just insinuated about AOC.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:30 UTC
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Post by kensi
Very true or the Dems would at least try to fix the problem. AOC
bitched about funds to buy them kids beds she wants them to be in
those bad conditions for her agenda.
You take that back, what you just insinuated about AOC.
I would love to know where he gets his lies from.

And then when shown that the kids cost $775 per night per kid he just
insists he never saw it. So weird.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:10:05 UTC
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they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:29 UTC
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Post by kensi
they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
It is his racist crap again.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:45:17 UTC
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Post by kensi
they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
I'm referring to bringing in too many at a time but "proof" can be had
by looking at the money we spend on people who don't learn the language.
Snit
2019-08-01 15:31:11 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
I'm referring to bringing in too many at a time but "proof" can be had
by looking at the money we spend on people who don't learn the language.
What do you imagine is the official language of the US?

You do realize most people around the world are multi-lingual, right?
There is nothing wrong with more than one language being spoken in a
country.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 15:57:22 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
they won't/can't assimilate
Proof, ko0k?
I'm referring to bringing in too many at a time but "proof" can be had
by looking at the money we spend on people who don't learn the language.
What do you imagine is the official language of the US?
What does "official" have to do with anything? English is the most
commonly used language in the U.S. and, arguably, the world.
Post by Snit
You do realize most people around the world are multi-lingual, right?
There is nothing wrong with more than one language being spoken in a
country.
I'm not talking about speaking multiple languages, I'm talking about
the societal costs involved in not speaking the most commonly used
language in a place you moved to or entered illegally.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:12:53 UTC
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I'd rather my funds go to help the homeless American
citizens in the USA and to help rebuild our infrastructure
Then vote Sanders in the primary and in the general.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:21:28 UTC
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Post by kensi
I'd rather my funds go to help the homeless American
citizens in the USA and to help rebuild our infrastructure
Then vote Sanders in the primary and in the general.
Absolutely!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:29:41 UTC
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<...>
As I've said before, Snit *HATES* rights-- especially equal rights.
He'd like nothing better than to see anyone labeled as a
"conservative" marched off to a "camp" and experimented on.
I'd like to experiment on Snit's head with a
ten-pound sledge hammer. LOL.
K0okThr3At!!11!
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:38:02 UTC
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Post by kensi
<...>
As I've said before, Snit *HATES* rights-- especially equal rights.
He'd like nothing better than to see anyone labeled as a
"conservative" marched off to a "camp" and experimented on.
I'd like to experiment on Snit's head with a
ten-pound sledge hammer. LOL.
K0okThr3At!!11!
Most likely Carroll again. Maybe a copycat.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:33:15 UTC
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@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Outer filthers are scum.
*ducks into small interior room in basement and waits for
planetary-surface-sterilizing blast wave to pass*
Well, there goes every single irony meter ever manufactured,
simultaneously. And here I'd thought it would be a nuclear war that did it!
I have never outer filthed anyone.
You've been complicit in efforts to do so, koOk, every time you've
perpetuated any of the "Derbyshire" mythology or accused anyone of being
one of his socks. That you've missed the mark in every such case does
not absolve you of having harbored the intent to outer filth.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:43:10 UTC
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In article <qhttis$efg$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Outer filthers are scum.
*ducks into small interior room in basement and waits for
planetary-surface-sterilizing blast wave to pass*
Well, there goes every single irony meter ever manufactured,
simultaneously. And here I'd thought it would be a nuclear war that did it!
I have never outer filthed anyone.
You've been complicit in efforts to do so, koOk, every time you've
perpetuated any of the "Derbyshire" mythology or accused anyone of being
one of his socks. That you've missed the mark in every such case does
not absolve you of having harbored the intent to outer filth.
Nice spin on words there Paul.
Sn!pe
2019-08-01 15:57:40 UTC
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[...]
Post by Skeeter
Post by kensi
I have never outer filthed anyone.
You've been complicit in efforts to do so, koOk, every time you've
perpetuated any of the "Derbyshire" mythology or accused anyone of
being one of his socks. That you've missed the mark in every such case
does not absolve you of having harbored the intent to outer filth.
Nice spin on words there Paul.
It's amusing that Paul puts "Derbyshire" in scare quotes,
as if it isn't true. Ask him if he can say "Pembroke".
Go on, I dare you.

[smirk]
--
^Ï^ My pet rock Gordon just is.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:39:31 UTC
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And here you push insults to try to feel better about yourself.
It's a fact that your opinion holds *no* weight. You can barely read, who
in God's name would trust your opinion on anything
I would trust his over yours, ko0ky.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:49:46 UTC
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Post by kensi
And here you push insults to try to feel better about yourself.
It's a fact that your opinion holds *no* weight. You can barely read, who
in God's name would trust your opinion on anything
I would trust his over yours, ko0ky.
I have been belittled by an open racist. How horrid.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:46:51 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by kensi
And here you push insults to try to feel better about yourself.
It's a fact that your opinion holds *no* weight. You can barely read, who
in God's name would trust your opinion on anything
I would trust his over yours, ko0ky.
I have been belittled by an open racist. How horrid.
Yes, Kensi is a racist, I'm glad you see thru her charade.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:42:58 UTC
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We may not like the idea that the cop feels he has to do that...
but what does that have to do with the price of tea in India? Contrary
to Snit's delusion, that cop is not gonna go down that street wearing a
blindfold.
This is you speaking for me. You cannot refute my comments.
Everybody hates you. Leave.
If that's all you've got, then you've lost the argument, k0Ok.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:49:46 UTC
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Post by kensi
We may not like the idea that the cop feels he has to do that...
but what does that have to do with the price of tea in India? Contrary
to Snit's delusion, that cop is not gonna go down that street wearing a
blindfold.
This is you speaking for me. You cannot refute my comments.
Everybody hates you. Leave.
If that's all you've got, then you've lost the argument, k0Ok.
And he feels the need to use a sock to post it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:48:03 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by kensi
We may not like the idea that the cop feels he has to do that...
but what does that have to do with the price of tea in India? Contrary
to Snit's delusion, that cop is not gonna go down that street wearing a
blindfold.
This is you speaking for me. You cannot refute my comments.
Everybody hates you. Leave.
If that's all you've got, then you've lost the argument, k0Ok.
And he feels the need to use a sock to post it.
Do you see Carroll in your sleep Snip?
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:47:32 UTC
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In article <qhtu53$h0h$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
We may not like the idea that the cop feels he has to do that...
but what does that have to do with the price of tea in India? Contrary
to Snit's delusion, that cop is not gonna go down that street wearing a
blindfold.
This is you speaking for me. You cannot refute my comments.
Everybody hates you. Leave.
If that's all you've got, then you've lost the argument, k0Ok.
There was no argument, just you trying to play with the big kids.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:45:03 UTC
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Everybody hates you. Leave.
Poor Carroll... just publicly crying now.
Did you happen to look at the guy's header, genius?
Do you really think you can salvage your transparent sockpuppetry just
by protestations and denial?
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:49:47 UTC
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Post by kensi
Everybody hates you. Leave.
Poor Carroll... just publicly crying now.
Did you happen to look at the guy's header, genius?
Do you really think you can salvage your transparent sockpuppetry just
by protestations and denial?
If he had not been doing this for over a decade with the same schtick in
multiple groups he might be able to fool some people. Same idiotic crap
from him for over a decade.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:24:06 UTC
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Post by kensi
Everybody hates you. Leave.
Poor Carroll... just publicly crying now.
Did you happen to look at the guy's header, genius?
Do you really think you can salvage your transparent sockpuppetry just
by protestations and denial?
Do you really think endlessly repeating BS makes it true?
Snit
2019-08-01 15:45:31 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
Everybody hates you. Leave.
Poor Carroll... just publicly crying now.
Did you happen to look at the guy's header, genius?
Do you really think you can salvage your transparent sockpuppetry just
by protestations and denial?
Carroll has no answer to this... so he changes the topic. He does that a
lot.
Post by Steve Carroll
Do you really think endlessly repeating BS makes it true?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:48:34 UTC
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In article <qhtu90$h0h$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Everybody hates you. Leave.
Poor Carroll... just publicly crying now.
Did you happen to look at the guy's header, genius?
Do you really think you can salvage your transparent sockpuppetry just
by protestations and denial?
Translation: I'm to stupid to read headers.
kensi
2019-08-01 05:48:02 UTC
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So judging people based on race is not, to you, racism.
It depends on *how* you're judging them. If you say, 'Damn, those black
people can cook their asses off, these ribs are great!', that's not racism.
Sure it is:

https://wwnorton.com/college/psych/socialpsych/reviews/ch11.asp

"Benevolent racism and sexism consist of attitudes the individual thinks
of as favorable toward a group but that have the effect of supporting
traditional, subservient roles for members of oppressed groups."

Note: though what you just did is called "benevolent" racism, that does
not mean it is *good*. All racism is bad.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Snit
2019-08-01 05:51:36 UTC
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Post by kensi
So judging people based on race is not, to you, racism.
It depends on *how* you're judging them. If you say, 'Damn, those black
people can cook their asses off, these ribs are great!', that's not racism.
https://wwnorton.com/college/psych/socialpsych/reviews/ch11.asp
"Benevolent racism and sexism consist of attitudes the individual thinks
of as favorable toward a group but that have the effect of supporting
traditional, subservient roles for members of oppressed groups."
Note: though what you just did is called "benevolent" racism, that does
not mean it is *good*. All racism is bad.
Yup. Well stated — better than my response.
--
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:50:16 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by kensi
So judging people based on race is not, to you, racism.
It depends on *how* you're judging them. If you say, 'Damn, those black
people can cook their asses off, these ribs are great!', that's not racism.
https://wwnorton.com/college/psych/socialpsych/reviews/ch11.asp
"Benevolent racism and sexism consist of attitudes the individual thinks
of as favorable toward a group but that have the effect of supporting
traditional, subservient roles for members of oppressed groups."
Note: though what you just did is called "benevolent" racism, that does
not mean it is *good*. All racism is bad.
Yup. Well stated — better than my response.
Go find your safe spot. snowflake.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:22:40 UTC
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Post by kensi
So judging people based on race is not, to you, racism.
It depends on *how* you're judging them. If you say, 'Damn, those black
people can cook their asses off, these ribs are great!', that's not racism.
https://wwnorton.com/college/psych/socialpsych/reviews/ch11.asp
"Benevolent racism and sexism consist of attitudes the individual thinks
of as favorable toward a group but that have the effect of supporting
traditional, subservient roles for members of oppressed groups."
While I understand the point being made in that paragraph regarding
"modern racism", throwing adjectives in front of a word, seeking to
change its meaning, is problematic.
Post by kensi
Note: though what you just did is called "benevolent" racism, that does
not mean it is *good*. All racism is bad.
Because of what the word itself means. You're arguing that stereotyping
is the same thing as racism. I'm not buying that argument in the context
of a cop increasing his chances of staying alive in a bad area by paying
attention to conditions on the ground. I'm not gonna try to brainwash
his thoughts so that he doesn't look at what has already been shown to
be a known threat via the stats. If you want a society where no one is
willing to put on a police uniform, this is the recipe. Note, I'm not
saying to approach people based solely on skin color, I am saying that
to *not* be 'suspicious' of a set of conditions where it makes sense to
is nonsense (and you're never gonna stop anyone with working brain cells
from doing it anyway, including black cops).
Snit
2019-08-01 15:50:54 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by kensi
So judging people based on race is not, to you, racism.
It depends on *how* you're judging them. If you say, 'Damn, those black
people can cook their asses off, these ribs are great!', that's not racism.
https://wwnorton.com/college/psych/socialpsych/reviews/ch11.asp
"Benevolent racism and sexism consist of attitudes the individual thinks
of as favorable toward a group but that have the effect of supporting
traditional, subservient roles for members of oppressed groups."
While I understand the point being made in that paragraph regarding
"modern racism", throwing adjectives in front of a word, seeking to
change its meaning, is problematic.
Post by kensi
Note: though what you just did is called "benevolent" racism, that does
not mean it is *good*. All racism is bad.
Because of what the word itself means. You're arguing that stereotyping
is the same thing as racism.
This shows you fail to understand what you read. Such stereotypes are a
SUBSET of racism. Your racism, for example, is not all just stereotyping.
Post by Steve Carroll
I'm not buying that argument in the context
of a cop increasing his chances of staying alive in a bad area by paying
attention to conditions on the ground. I'm not gonna try to brainwash
his thoughts so that he doesn't look at what has already been shown to
be a known threat via the stats.
This does not defend racism.
Post by Steve Carroll
If you want a society where no one is
willing to put on a police uniform, this is the recipe.
Not all police back your bigoted crap.
Post by Steve Carroll
Note, I'm not
saying to approach people based solely on skin color, I am saying that
to *not* be 'suspicious' of a set of conditions where it makes sense to
is nonsense (and you're never gonna stop anyone with working brain cells
from doing it anyway, including black cops).
One's skin color does not make them be more "suspicious". Now if you
have evidence of a crime that was just committed and a description of
the perp then, sure, look for people who fit the description... but to
walk around insisting all darker people are "suspicious" is open bigotry.

You are an open bigot.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:49:55 UTC
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In article <qhtuek$jcg$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
So judging people based on race is not, to you, racism.
It depends on *how* you're judging them. If you say, 'Damn, those black
people can cook their asses off, these ribs are great!', that's not racism.
https://wwnorton.com/college/psych/socialpsych/reviews/ch11.asp
"Benevolent racism and sexism consist of attitudes the individual thinks
of as favorable toward a group but that have the effect of supporting
traditional, subservient roles for members of oppressed groups."
Note: though what you just did is called "benevolent" racism, that does
not mean it is *good*. All racism is bad.
So saying black people like rap music is racist? You bleeding hearts
make me laugh.
kensi
2019-08-01 06:08:43 UTC
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I agree with kensi here. Liberate the camps.
The people in the "Camps" are free
Don't be ridiculous.
When was the last time you actually answered a post without<FOOM!>
When was the last time *you* actually answered a post without
deflections and sudden topic swerves?
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
kensi
2019-08-01 06:10:41 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:07:03 +0200, kensi
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
You mean the imaginary accusations by whores desperate for publicity?
No, kooktard, she means the three rapes Kavanaugh was involved in according
to multiple eyewitnesses. Do at least *try* to keep up, mmkay?
For a minute there, I was afraid you were going to say something outrageously
stupid again... and then you did.
No, k0okt4rd, she's correct. I *did* mean the three rapes Kavanaugh was
involved in.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Nadegda
2019-08-01 06:55:03 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by kensi
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:07:03 +0200, kensi
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
You mean the imaginary accusations by whores desperate for publicity?
No, kooktard, she means the three rapes Kavanaugh was involved in according
to multiple eyewitnesses. Do at least *try* to keep up, mmkay?
For a minute there, I was afraid you were going to say something outrageously
stupid again... and then you did.
No, k0okt4rd, she's correct. I *did* mean the three rapes Kavanaugh was
involved in.
SPANKY-SPANKY!

<snicker>
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Checkmate
2019-08-01 09:30:13 UTC
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Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
Checkmate! In article <qhu2c6$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by kensi
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:07:03 +0200, kensi
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
You mean the imaginary accusations by whores desperate for publicity?
No, kooktard, she means the three rapes Kavanaugh was involved in according
to multiple eyewitnesses. Do at least *try* to keep up, mmkay?
For a minute there, I was afraid you were going to say something outrageously
stupid again... and then you did.
No, k0okt4rd, she's correct. I *did* mean the three rapes Kavanaugh was
involved in.
SPANKY-SPANKY!
<snicker>
Imaginary bullshit and politically-motivated baseless accusations don't count,
KooKy Kukumber-Felcher.
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Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:52:18 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhu2c6$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by kensi
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:07:03 +0200, kensi
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
You mean the imaginary accusations by whores desperate for publicity?
No, kooktard, she means the three rapes Kavanaugh was involved in according
to multiple eyewitnesses. Do at least *try* to keep up, mmkay?
For a minute there, I was afraid you were going to say something outrageously
stupid again... and then you did.
No, k0okt4rd, she's correct. I *did* mean the three rapes Kavanaugh was
involved in.
SPANKY-SPANKY!
Self spank noted, Janithor said you like to fondle children, I believe
him because I do.
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2019-08-01 15:55:19 UTC
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News Bleater - Exploded Everyone's Irony Meters "Skeeter
<***@qmail.com>" determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@news.eternal-september.org>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Inarticle<qhu2c6$so3$***@dont-email.me>,***@gmail.invalid
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡says...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Timetotriggertheright-wingsnowflakesagain.Melt,snowflakes,melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡OnThu,01Aug201908:10:41+0200,kensiwrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡On7/31/201911:50PM,💩wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡***@gmail.invalidsays...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡OnWed,31Jul201903:32:19-0700,KlausSchutzstaffelwrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡OnWed,31Jul201906:07:03+0200,kensi
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Ifyou'renotaright-winger,k0ooOo0ky,thenwhyareyousucha
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Kavanaughfanboithatyouwanthimtogetawaywithatleastthree
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡countsofrape?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Youmeantheimaginaryaccusationsbywhoresdesperateforpublicity?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡No,kooktard,shemeansthethreerapesKavanaughwasinvolvedin
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡accordingtomultipleeyewitnesses.Doatleast*try*tokeepup,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡mmkay?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Foraminutethere,Iwasafraidyouweregoingtosaysomething
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡outrageouslystupidagain...andthenyoudid.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡No,k0okt4rd,she'scorrect.I*did*meanthethreerapesKavanaughwas
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡involvedin.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡SPANKY-SPANKY!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Selfspanknoted,Janithorsaidyouliketofondlechildren,Ibelieve
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡himbecauseIdo.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡

do you?
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Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:51:17 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhtvp2$jcg$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:07:03 +0200, kensi
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
You mean the imaginary accusations by whores desperate for publicity?
No, kooktard, she means the three rapes Kavanaugh was involved in according
to multiple eyewitnesses. Do at least *try* to keep up, mmkay?
For a minute there, I was afraid you were going to say something outrageously
stupid again... and then you did.
No, k0okt4rd, she's correct. I *did* mean the three rapes Kavanaugh was
involved in.
You mean the ones where CNN said he was guilty but no proof was
provided?
kensi
2019-08-01 06:12:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
In which case, still wrong. You cannot tell just by looking at someone
whether or not they have a valid asylum claim, or a valid visa, or legal
residency, or even American citizenship.
No trial needed.
Of course a trial is needed, to ensure the person you're contemplating
deporting doesn't fall into one of the above categories.
No trial needed.
That's it? You're just going to repeat the exact argument that Nadegda
just refuted?

You don't really understand how this works, do you?
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:53:09 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhtvt9$jcg$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
In which case, still wrong. You cannot tell just by looking at someone
whether or not they have a valid asylum claim, or a valid visa, or legal
residency, or even American citizenship.
No trial needed.
Of course a trial is needed, to ensure the person you're contemplating
deporting doesn't fall into one of the above categories.
No trial needed.
That's it? You're just going to repeat the exact argument that Nadegda
just refuted?
You don't really understand how this works, do you?
Cross without permission? No trial needed.
kensi
2019-08-01 06:21:10 UTC
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Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/07/26/biden-harris-buttigieg-and-booker-emerge-clear-favorites-wall-street-bankers-open
(Their friends are our enemies.)
Who is "OUR"... KooK?
Non-plutocrat taxpaying Americans, I expect, though Nadegda will likely
be along within a day or so to clarify.
--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate
Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:58:54 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhu0cn$jcg$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/07/26/biden-harris-buttigieg-and-booker-emerge-clear-favorites-wall-street-bankers-open
(Their friends are our enemies.)
Who is "OUR"... KooK?
Non-plutocrat taxpaying Americans, I expect, though Nadegda will likely
be along within a day or so to clarify.
Reach into the sock drawer and pull her out. We want answers now.
Just Wondering
2019-08-01 06:53:06 UTC
Permalink
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help
the actual people.
We see how that works where it's been tried, in Detroit and Chicago.
So only democrats are right? So much for your equal rights.
Dems give more freebies.
Then they're not whores, just sluts?
Snit
2019-08-01 16:02:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
I'm all for Congress getting off it's ass and quit going into
re-election mode the day after a election.
Get rid of the Republicans so something can be done to help
the actual people.
We see how that works where it's been tried, in Detroit and Chicago.
So only democrats are right? So much for your equal rights.
Dems give more freebies.
Then they're not whores, just sluts?
Democrats, at least those on the progressive side, are looking to reduce
freebies.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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2019-08-01 06:54:33 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:42:30 -0400, Herr Gerrrrrgz Hell, Stinky Fleabitten
Implicitly, yes... and as I was saying, it's all about being charged
with a crime and going to trial... the salient point here as
differentiated between an undocumented person who may get no trial.
The Constitution *also* forbids the government to just skip having a trial
and go straight to declaring a person guilty. Article I, section 9,
paragraph 3.
Hypocrite bitch! You declared Justice Kavanaugh guilty of
rape without a trial
Yes, but then, I'm not the government.
<snicker>
Then perhaps you should STFU<SMACKAKOOK!>
You first, kook.
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Philosopher, Humanitarian
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Eh? No original text *again*?

<smh>

Hint: it doesn't count as getting the last word if you don't type in any,
you know, new *words*.
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Checkmate
2019-08-01 09:01:42 UTC
Permalink
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
Checkmate! In article <qhu2b9$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:42:30 -0400, Herr Gerrrrrgz Hell, Stinky Fleabitten
Implicitly, yes... and as I was saying, it's all about being charged
with a crime and going to trial... the salient point here as
differentiated between an undocumented person who may get no trial.
The Constitution *also* forbids the government to just skip having a trial
and go straight to declaring a person guilty. Article I, section 9,
paragraph 3.
Hypocrite bitch! You declared Justice Kavanaugh guilty of
rape without a trial
Yes, but then, I'm not the government.
<snicker>
Then perhaps you should STFU<SMACKAKOOK!>
You first, kook.
--
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all rights reserved
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Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Awards (Post-Burnore)
Co-winner Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker
award May 2001, (Brethern of Beelzebub troll)
Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker award, Feb 2012
Author, Humorist, Cynic
Philosopher, Humanitarian
Poet, Elektrishun to the Stars
Usenet Shot-Caller
Eh? No original text *again*?
<smh>
Hint: it doesn't count as getting the last word if you don't type in any,
you know, new *words*.
Look closer, Snippy. I gave you a taste of your own cowardly snip-and-smack
medicine. The fact that you couldn't parse the last line is not my problem.
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Co-winner Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker
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Skeeter
2019-08-01 15:59:55 UTC
Permalink
In article <qhu2b9$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:42:30 -0400, Herr Gerrrrrgz Hell, Stinky Fleabitten
Implicitly, yes... and as I was saying, it's all about being charged
with a crime and going to trial... the salient point here as
differentiated between an undocumented person who may get no trial.
The Constitution *also* forbids the government to just skip having a trial
and go straight to declaring a person guilty. Article I, section 9,
paragraph 3.
Hypocrite bitch! You declared Justice Kavanaugh guilty of
rape without a trial
Yes, but then, I'm not the government.
<snicker>
Then perhaps you should STFU<SMACKAKOOK!>
You first, kook.
--
Checkmate ®
Copyright © 2019
all rights reserved
AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore)
Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Awards (Post-Burnore)
Co-winner Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker
award May 2001, (Brethern of Beelzebub troll)
Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker award, Feb 2012
Author, Humorist, Cynic
Philosopher, Humanitarian
Poet, Elektrishun to the Stars
Usenet Shot-Caller
Eh? No original text *again*?
<smh>
Hint: it doesn't count as getting the last word if you don't type in any,
you know, new *words*.
Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-01 16:10:21 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 09:59:55 -0600, LO AND BEHOLD; Skeeter Skeeter Fake
News Bleater - Exploded Everyone's Irony Meters "Skeeter
<***@qmail.com>" determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@news.eternal-september.org>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Inarticle<qhu2b9$so3$***@dont-email.me>,***@gmail.invalid
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡says...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Timetotriggertheright-wingsnowflakesagain.Melt,snowflakes,melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡OnWed,31Jul201920:48:18-0700,💩wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Warning!AlwayswearANSIapprovedsafetygoggleswhenreadingpostsby
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡💩!Inarticle<qhtmu1$so3$***@dont-email.me>,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡***@gmail.invalidsays...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Timetotriggertheright-wingsnowflakesagain.Melt,snowflakes,melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡OnTue,30Jul201922:51:21-0700,💩wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Warning!AlwayswearANSIapprovedsafetygoggleswhenreadingpostsby
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡***@gmail.invalidsays...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Timetotriggertheright-wingsnowflakesagain.Melt,snowflakes,melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡OnTue,30Jul201919:42:30-0400,HerrGerrrrrgzHell,Stinky
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡FleabittenNaziRapistgerrrrrgzed:
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Implicitly,yes...andasIwassaying,it'sallaboutbeingcharged
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡withacrimeandgoingtotrial...thesalientpointhereas
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡differentiatedbetweenanundocumentedpersonwhomaygetnotrial.
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡trialandgostraighttodeclaringapersonguilty.ArticleI,section
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡atrial
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡Yes,butthen,I'mnotthegovernment.<💩snickerTurd💩>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ThenperhapsyoushouldSTFU<SMACKAKOOK!>
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡thelastwordifyoudon'ttypeinany,youknow,new*words*.
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Nadegda
2019-08-01 06:56:43 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:06:44 -0700, Snit
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>

There's a start, at the very least ...
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FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Just Wondering
2019-08-01 08:27:02 UTC
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Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
kensi
2019-08-01 08:43:15 UTC
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Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
   Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Why do you think the money would run out? It's the *current* system
where the money is running out. The rich have nearly all of it and
they're just sitting on it.

Jobs, housing, and welfare programs combined with higher taxes on the
rich would have the effect of returning some of the money the rich are
sitting on to the bottom tiers of the economy, to be spent on goods and
services and, eventually, to trickle back up to the rich in the form of
corporate profits ... and then be taxed, redistributed, and go through
the whole process again.

Think of the water cycle. What would happen without evaporation? All the
water on the land would flow to the sea and sit there, leaving the
continents all deserts with all of the water in the oceans. That's our
current system. Add in evaporation and the land becomes lush and
fertile, and the oceans not really all that much shallower. The rich
won't be much less rich, but everyone else will be *much* better off and
the economy will be booming again.
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the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
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in here." ~Checkmate
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 15:00:32 UTC
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Snit
2019-08-01 15:28:59 UTC
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Post by kensi
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
   Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Why do you think the money would run out? It's the *current* system
where the money is running out. The rich have nearly all of it and
they're just sitting on it.
All of them? Or are you just stereotyping again?
All of them, together, have most of the wealth and as a whole they are
not putting it back into the economy. They have less incentive to do so
than do those with less money who use it for things they need instead of
things they want, or even things which are common wants vs. uncommon wants.

But this was clear by the context. You are not able to refute what she
says so you play games and work to change the topic. What next? Find an
example of one wealthy person not doing as is generally done? That would
not change much.

The focus here is MACROeconomics. Can you jump on board or only change
the topic?
Many of 'the rich' are giving their fortunes away, many are investing.
And that does not in any way, shape, or form change the MACROeconomic
reality described. Keep in mind you are unable to refute what she says
so you are changing the topic. It is what you do.
Post by kensi
Jobs, housing, and welfare programs combined with higher taxes on the
rich would have the effect of returning some of the money the rich are
sitting on to the bottom tiers of the economy, to be spent on goods and
services and, eventually, to trickle back up to the rich in the form of
corporate profits
Many "corporate profits" are tied into the stock market, you know, that
thing that replaced the old pension idea for 'the not so rich'.
She said nothing of getting rid of the stock market and thus you are
again changing topics. Seriously, do you ever show understanding of what
you read?
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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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2019-08-01 15:47:34 UTC
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Snit
2019-08-01 15:56:36 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by kensi
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
   Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Why do you think the money would run out? It's the *current* system
where the money is running out. The rich have nearly all of it and
they're just sitting on it.
All of them? Or are you just stereotyping again?
All of them, together, have most of the wealth and as a whole they are
not putting it back into the economy.
Again with the overblown BS. They're not putting *any* of it back in?
Nobody said, suggested, hinted, or implied this. The assumption of the
above words is that people understand context and have common sense. You
are insisting on throwing those out. As such you are actively seeking to
twist meanings and play games.

Below you snip sentences in half, play semantic games where you demand
people define the word "in" for you, etc.

This is simple: when you pay the wealthy to give you jobs you are being
a fool -- would have to find the stats but you get back something like
$0.70 on the dollar when you do that. And that makes sense... do you
really think you can pay someone to pay you back more IF THEY DO NOT
HAVE TO? No.

But if you help those truly in need you get back something like $1.40
for every dollar you put in. That is because those in need, well, NEED.
They spend the money they get for food and housing and clothing and,
yes, sometimes even a refrigerator or TV. And more. They save little
because they have less to save. This benefits the economy by creating
more market demand. More market demand creates jobs.
Details? Oh, wait, you don't know what that means...
Post by Snit
They have less incentive to do so
.... when politicians sound like they do on the Democratic debate stage
the last couple of nights? Probably.
Post by Snit
Many of 'the rich' are giving their fortunes away, many are investing.
And that does not in any way, shape, or form change the MACROeconomic
reality described.
Mentioning it is not 'describing' it, Mr. MACROeconomics. You bitch at
me for parsing your words when there *are* no words. Above you say "the
rich", "as a whole" are "not putting it [money] back into the economy".
How much are they not putting back in? And while you're at it... define
what you mean by "in". Do you think all the numbers you see are just
gold bars sitting in the Caymans or some Swiss vault?
Post by Snit
Many "corporate profits" are tied into the stock market, you know, that
thing that replaced the old pension idea for 'the not so rich'.
She said nothing of getting rid of the stock market and
.... I'll never hear a peep about Wall Street, either, right <eyeroll>?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 16:01:37 UTC
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In article <qhu8n4$do$***@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
Post by kensi
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
   Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Why do you think the money would run out? It's the *current* system
where the money is running out. The rich have nearly all of it and
they're just sitting on it.
Jobs, housing, and welfare programs combined with higher taxes on the
rich would have the effect of returning some of the money the rich are
sitting on to the bottom tiers of the economy, to be spent on goods and
services and, eventually, to trickle back up to the rich in the form of
corporate profits ... and then be taxed, redistributed, and go through
the whole process again.
Think of the water cycle. What would happen without evaporation? All the
water on the land would flow to the sea and sit there, leaving the
continents all deserts with all of the water in the oceans. That's our
current system. Add in evaporation and the land becomes lush and
fertile, and the oceans not really all that much shallower. The rich
won't be much less rich, but everyone else will be *much* better off and
the economy will be booming again.
Are you willing to take a pay cut and dole out more in taxes?
Snit
2019-08-01 16:22:06 UTC
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Post by kensi
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
   Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Why do you think the money would run out? It's the *current* system
where the money is running out. The rich have nearly all of it and
they're just sitting on it.
And getting almost all new wealth. This is true no matter how hard the rest
of us work or how productive we are.
Post by kensi
Jobs, housing, and welfare programs combined with higher taxes on the
rich would have the effect of returning some of the money the rich are
sitting on to the bottom tiers of the economy, to be spent on goods and
services and, eventually, to trickle back up to the rich in the form of
corporate profits ... and then be taxed, redistributed, and go through
the whole process again.
Right. Letting those who earn the money get it would increase market demand
and that improves the economy.
Post by kensi
Think of the water cycle. What would happen without evaporation? All the
water on the land would flow to the sea and sit there, leaving the
continents all deserts with all of the water in the oceans. That's our
current system. Add in evaporation and the land becomes lush and
fertile, and the oceans not really all that much shallower. The rich
won't be much less rich, but everyone else will be *much* better off and
the economy will be booming again.
Great analogy.

I do not get the thinking behind how we have to pay the wealthy to have
jobs.
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mixed nuts
2019-08-01 09:32:18 UTC
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Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Get it from the Russian oligarchs - same as Trump do.
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Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-01 15:37:31 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 05:32:18 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; mixed nuts
<***@undulatus.budgie> determined that the following was of
great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<qhubj5$dj9$***@gioia.aioe.org>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/1/2019 4:27 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/1/2019 12:56 AM, Nadegda wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:14:58 -0400, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:06:44 -0700, Snit wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ but we choose not to.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ #include <sanders_2020_platform.h> #include <green_new_deal.h> There's a
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ start, at the very least ...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ What will you do when you run out of other people's money? Print a bunch
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ more?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Get it from the Russian oligarchs - same as Trump do.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡

or pilfer it from the defense budget, of course.
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Sn!pe
2019-08-01 16:00:03 UTC
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or pilfer it
Hi there, PW. Will you be answering my question today?

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Snit
2019-08-01 16:22:04 UTC
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Post by Just Wondering
Post by Nadegda
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
What will you do when you run out of other people's money?
Print a bunch more?
Stop redistribution of money to the rich then you have plenty to invest in
the future and help those truly in need.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-01 16:00:46 UTC
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In article <qhu2fb$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:06:44 -0700, Snit
Pay for it by ending redistribution of money to the rich. End the
plutocracy. Easy. Pay it because it is trivial for the richest country
in the world to do so if we wanted. Absolutely trivial to be moral...
but we choose not to.
Yo still haven't shown how you will do this.
#include <sanders_2020_platform.h>
#include <green_new_deal.h>
There's a start, at the very least ...
Who's going to pay for the new green failure?
Nadegda
2019-08-01 06:58:13 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Checkmate
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I'm not a 'right winger'
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.........
Why do you defend Trump and his Nazi stooges at every turn, then, kooky?
Pointing out what they can do is not defending them.
You've done more than that, disingenuous k0Ok; you've argued that the
awful things they are doing near the border are somehow "necessary" for
America's "security", though nothing could be further from the truth.
He wants to toss out equal rights so he does not have to see as many
people who are of the race(s) he wants to be profiled.
And while doing so you've also evinced racial animus toward Latinx
people and Hispanics.
Absolutely correct.
*That* constitutes defending them. And it makes you a goosestepping
jackbooted fascist Nazi thug.
At least echos of that.
SPNAK!
some of the things you're in here complaining about the loudest (that
you're pissed at Trump about) are 'Dem approved'
Center-right corporate DINO approved, perhaps. Which is why we need to
primary nearly every single one of those motherfuckers and replace them
so that in 2020 there are 538 Ocasio-Cortezes running for the House of
Representatives on the Dem ticket, 100 Ilhan Omars running for the
Senate, and a Rashida Tlaib and an Ayanna Presley on the Pres/Veep
ticket (though those last two's actual names would likely be "Warren"
and "Sanders").
I would be happy to see any two of Warren, Sanders, and Buttigieg in any
order. Have not watched tonight's debate yet -- I do know Sanders did a
poor job in the first, hopefully he did better tonight.
Buttigieg?!
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-is-not-a-progressive.html
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/07/26/biden-harris-buttigieg-and-booker-emerge-clear-favorites-wall-street-bankers-open
(Their friends are our enemies.)
Who is "OUR"... KooK?
We, the people. Everyone who *isn't* a fatcat billionaire. Obviously.
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Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-01 09:39:01 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 03:40:56 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
You mean the imaginary accusations by whores desperate for publicity?
No, kooktard, she means the three rapes Kavanaugh was involved in according
to multiple eyewitnesses.
Oh, you mean the imagined "rapes" by the "eyewitnesses" who only
"remembered" seeing the "rapes" thirty years later.

LOL
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-01 09:41:11 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 03:43:17 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Here is some "General Public opinion"

Survey finds Hillary Clinton has ‘more than 99% chance’ of winning
election over Donald Trump
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html

"POINT PROVEN!"
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Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-01 09:41:52 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Then you agree with myself, kensi, and Snit, and disagree with Kooky
Karroll, that accused undocumented immigrants should not be detained or
deported without a trial?
If they're HERE, they've obviously committed a crime. No trial needed.
Put them on a bus and send them back.
So simple even a leftist could figure it out.
Wrong. Or else the entire country ought to be locked up.
OK, so a leftist CAN'T figure it out.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:28:43 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I've also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done... but
I understand why.
You understand and BACK it. Which is reprehensible.
Where "BACK it" means to begrudgingly see the need for certain things in
certain situation.
It's always "begrudgingly" with you
... realists? Yes.
Snit
2019-08-01 15:44:57 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I've also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done... but
I understand why.
You understand and BACK it. Which is reprehensible.
Where "BACK it" means to begrudgingly see the need for certain things in
certain situation.
It's always "begrudgingly" with you
.... realists? Yes.
One can be realistic and not be a racist asshole. Seriously, your idea
the only way to be realistic is to follow in Nazi footsteps is simply
NOT true.

One can look to invest in the future, help those truly in need, maintain
our security, and otherwise look at realistic solutions and still NOT be
a racist asshole.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 16:02:18 UTC
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Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I've also said I don't like some of the stuff that's being done... but
I understand why.
You understand and BACK it. Which is reprehensible.
Where "BACK it" means to begrudgingly see the need for certain things in
certain situation.
It's always "begrudgingly" with you
.... realists? Yes.
One can be realistic and not be a racist asshole.
LOL! The idea that *you* aren't a "racist asshole" is almost as funny as
the idea that you're "realistic".
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:31:06 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I'm not a 'right winger'
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.........
Why do you defend Trump and his Nazi stooges at every turn, then, kooky?
Pointing out what they can do is not defending them.
You've done more than that, disingenuous k0Ok; you've argued that the
awful things they are doing near the border are somehow "necessary" for
America's "security",
Some of them unquestionably are
At least you readily admit your guilt, goosestepper.
LOL! You might as well face the fact that security and rights are a
balance for citizens and non-citizens alike.
Snit
2019-08-01 15:37:47 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
I'm not a 'right winger'
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.........
Why do you defend Trump and his Nazi stooges at every turn, then, kooky?
Pointing out what they can do is not defending them.
You've done more than that, disingenuous k0Ok; you've argued that the
awful things they are doing near the border are somehow "necessary" for
America's "security",
Some of them unquestionably are
At least you readily admit your guilt, goosestepper.
LOL! You might as well face the fact that security and rights are a
balance for citizens and non-citizens alike.
But neither defends your open bigotry. Neither of them back our echoing
the Nazis. This is NOT how the Nazi regime began... we are already
several years into the process.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 14:32:20 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
Snit
2019-08-01 15:36:16 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
If you're not a right-winger, k0ooOo0ky, then why are you such a
Kavanaugh fanboi that you want him to get away with at least three
counts of rape?
No rape, no proof, until I see proof he's innocent.
Your view of his actions do not change his actions.
What actions? He's innocent.
Leftists just don't get it. Snit HATES rights, especially the right to
be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Snit says "An accusation is good enough-- ESPECIALLY if I disagree
politically with the accused."
Look at how he flips out over being told if he finds someone to be
"actually" guilty that it's merely his (worthless) opinion. His
narcissism won't let him consider anything other than the fallacy that
his word is 'fact'... that everyone must accept.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/more-americans-believe-ford-than-kavanaugh-according-to-new-poll
General public opinion is with Snit, not you kooks: Kavanaugh is guilty.
Yet, I'll still take our Republic over mob rule <shrug>.
We have a plutocracy... not a Republic.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 15:28:29 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
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Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Snit
2019-08-01 15:36:51 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
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Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-01 15:59:11 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
I'm fine with the areas identified by the CPB.
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