Discussion:
What economists have gotten wrong for decades
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Skeeter
2019-08-03 15:05:03 UTC
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He doesn't read. Too smart. Already knows the answers. Stable
Supergenius guy. His daddy was born in Germany.
Damn you are a narcissist.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 15:14:18 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:26:28 +0200, kensi
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
But you do support misandry and bigotry, so perhaps you need to be
hung from the neck until dead. After a fair trial, of course.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 15:14:51 UTC
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@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
college environment, more often than not, it's the woman
who willingly opens her legs due to inebriation and/or
drugs but then has second thoughts when she sobers up
so she cries rape in order to deny her own culpability.
Proof, ko0k?
He came forward and said it, just like the hoes did about Kavanaugh. So
it must be true.
I believe him. That should be good enough.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 15:15:51 UTC
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@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And when rich white guys do rape they get lighter sentences because,
geez, nobody wants to harm their future that is so bright! Insane.
Or they even get appointed to the damn Supreme Court. :P
Who would that be nitwit? I want names and proof.
So quick to jump up and defend him even when he's mentioned obliquely.
As *you* would put it, "to[sic] much defense".
Why are you so emotionally invested in the rich privileged Catholic
prep-school rapist, k0ok? Is there some way that he reminds you of you?
Seems you identify with him quite strongly. So does Checkmate. I wonder why?
So you can't say who, that part scares you. If you are talking about
Kavanaugh I still haven't seen proof. Do you have any?
Isn't high-pitched screeching by some old, forgotten college sluts
GOOD enough any more? LOL
Nadegda
2019-08-03 15:26:08 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 01:04:45 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so?
The idea that you're being honest is silly... and you know it.
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site,
How does it work that *everyone else* is "dishonest" but *you're* OK?
Another Skeeter sock.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 15:31:03 UTC
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Post by Nadegda
On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 01:04:45 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so?
The idea that you're being honest is silly... and you know it.
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site,
How does it work that *everyone else* is "dishonest" but *you're* OK?
Another Skeeter sock.
Another excuse to run away. From the Snit Playbook. I hope you are
paying him royalties.

[chuckle]
Snit
2019-08-03 17:20:08 UTC
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Post by Nadegda
On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 01:04:45 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so?
The idea that you're being honest is silly... and you know it.
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site,
How does it work that *everyone else* is "dishonest" but *you're* OK?
Another Skeeter sock.
Carroll and Skeeter are "co-trolling" in the most amazingly hilarious
ways. Skeeter just spews insults and obvious lies at this point, and
Carroll does that but takes it even further to do the rhetorical
equivalent of standing on a debate stage punching his own face screaming
"Stop hitting me! Stop hitting me!"

I have never seen anyone, ever, with such an amazing victim mentality as
he has.

I think Carroll is hoping Skeeter can be his new "Sandman", a guy
Carroll co-trolled with for years... but Skeeter is NOWHERE near as
capable as Sandman was.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:27:12 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Nadegda
On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 01:04:45 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so?
The idea that you're being honest is silly... and you know it.
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site,
How does it work that *everyone else* is "dishonest" but *you're* OK?
Another Skeeter sock.
Carroll and Skeeter are "co-trolling" in the most amazingly hilarious
ways. Skeeter just spews insults and obvious lies at this point, and
Carroll does that but takes it even further to do the rhetorical
equivalent of standing on a debate stage punching his own face screaming
"Stop hitting me! Stop hitting me!"
You are dishonest and can not show me where I have lied. You tell lies
about us to your new reacharound buddy Nads in hopes "someone" will
listen.
Post by Snit
I have never seen anyone, ever, with such an amazing victim mentality as
he has.
You're the only one I see crying about everything.
Post by Snit
I think Carroll is hoping Skeeter can be his new "Sandman", a guy
Carroll co-trolled with for years... but Skeeter is NOWHERE near as
capable as Sandman was.
I'm capable to get you to respond 100 times a day.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 15:32:52 UTC
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You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".

The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)

Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>

In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)

<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>

Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
Snit
2019-08-03 17:16:10 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
Note you made this up. I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that
"localhost" means that.

What I noted is how you are arguing with yourself and you keep begging
me to take sides. It has to be one of the most insane trolling bits I
have ever seen ANYONE engage in. You are just pissed you again got
caught lying in the most obvious of ways:

---------------------------------------------------------------
Carroll, claimed his "The Old Neighborhood Restaurant" website was
always made with WordPress. It was trivial to show Carroll lied:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

Carroll responds <qhpgof$3jh$***@dont-email.me>:
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----

Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
---------------------------------------------------------------

And below you point to links YOU showed and attribute them to me.
Remember, NOBODY in this group would even know about the "The Old
Neighborhood Restaurant" unless YOU brought it up.
Post by Steve Carroll
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 18:35:11 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
Note you made this up. I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that
"localhost" means that.
Of course you did, with your proof, a thing I've pointed, many times:

<D354AFEB.72449%***@gallopinginsanity.com>

That's your post, with you posting a shortened link you created for the
express purpose to link to a page that shows what you stupidly thought
was a GoDaddy site. Being the IT Master, it didn't occur to you that
localhost doesn't mean: ""local to you in that it is near where you
live". Watch how easy this is...

--
For the wrapped URL impaired: <http://goo.gl/3TJ7Ul>

Under contact: "***@comcast.net"
--

Maybe you should kill the link? LOL! Won't do you any good, though, the
destination still shows *your* proof pointing to *my* 'localhost' address:

<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
Post by Snit
And below you point to links YOU showed and attribute them to me.
As I show above, the usenet archive proves you pointed to the link, and
the short link you created to see how many people followed your
trolling.
Post by Snit
Remember, NOBODY in this group would even know about the "The Old
Neighborhood Restaurant" unless YOU brought it up.
Correction: *you* brought it up playing with one of your many sock puppets.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:42:24 UTC
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In article <qi4k4v$klp$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
Note you made this up. I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that
"localhost" means that.
That's your post, with you posting a shortened link you created for the
express purpose to link to a page that shows what you stupidly thought
was a GoDaddy site. Being the IT Master, it didn't occur to you that
localhost doesn't mean: ""local to you in that it is near where you
live". Watch how easy this is...
--
For the wrapped URL impaired: <http://goo.gl/3TJ7Ul>
Not only is Snit dishonest he's also stupid.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:57:23 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
Note you made this up. I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that
"localhost" means that.
That's your post, with you posting a shortened link you created for the
express purpose to link to a page that shows what you stupidly thought
was a GoDaddy site. Being the IT Master, it didn't occur to you that
localhost doesn't mean: ""local to you in that it is near where you
live". Watch how easy this is...
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>

Steve Carroll:
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----

I noted Carroll's game (surely he cannot be claiming a site archived by
the WayBackMachine was not a live site):

Snit:
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----

Carroll, on being busted lying about the site being "local":
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----

My question to you is why, other than to confuse issues with so many
lies nobody else will follow a conversation, do you pile so many lies on
top of each other?
Post by Steve Carroll
--
For the wrapped URL impaired: <http://goo.gl/3TJ7Ul>
--
Maybe you should kill the link? LOL! Won't do you any good, though, the
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
Post by Snit
And below you point to links YOU showed and attribute them to me.
As I show above, the usenet archive proves you pointed to the link, and
the short link you created to see how many people followed your
trolling.
Post by Snit
Remember, NOBODY in this group would even know about the "The Old
Neighborhood Restaurant" unless YOU brought it up.
Correction: *you* brought it up playing with one of your many sock puppets.
So your story is I brought up the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" then you
LATER bragged about it and even made videos on how you were going to
migrate it to be a WordPress site. But it was always WordPress, from the
very start.

Um, you do realize your story makes no sense, right?

LOL!

Seriously, Carroll, your story is so convoluted you have ended up,
again, arguing with yourself!
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 19:58:30 UTC
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On 2019-08-03, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Remember, NOBODY in this group would even know about the "The Old
Neighborhood Restaurant" unless YOU brought it up.
Correction: *you* brought it up playing with one of your many sock puppets.
I brought up the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant"
... and you claimed I built their GoDaddy site while pointing to data
from a Wordpress site (that was never on the 'net) as "proof".

I think it's obvious why you've removed websites from your 'portfolio'.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:34:34 UTC
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(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
This is you speaking for me... as you argue with yourself... hence why
you keep snipping and running:

-------------------------------------------------
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>

Steve Carroll:
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----

I noted Carroll's game (surely he cannot be claiming a site archived by
the WayBackMachine was not a live site):

Snit:
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----

Carroll, on being busted lying about the site being "local":
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----

My question to you is why, other than to confuse issues with so many
lies nobody else will follow a conversation, do you pile so many lies on
top of each other?
-------------------------------------------------

Notice how you keep running from this question.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Remember, NOBODY in this group would even know about the "The Old
Neighborhood Restaurant" unless YOU brought it up.
Correction: *you* brought it up playing with one of your many sock puppets.
I brought up the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant"
.... and you claimed I built their GoDaddy site
<http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

You mean the WayBackMachine says the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
made with the "Go Daddy Website Builder".
while pointing to data
from a Wordpress site (that was never on the 'net) as "proof".
You are arguing with yourself here again.
I think it's obvious why you've removed websites from your 'portfolio'.
Your website was never on any portfolio of mine.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 21:58:51 UTC
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Post by Snit
(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
This is you speaking for me...
Nah... you spoke for you, when I wrote:
"The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)"

You replied:
"More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
local to you in that it is near where you live..."

You clearly saw the words "demo" and "local" and came up with: "local to
you in that it is near where you live". Anyone can see I even stated
that "*you* proved it was local", a reference to what I previously pointed
to...your "proof" in this link (the *only* proof you've ever provided)...

<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>

... as seen in your post (that you even made a short link for)
<D354AFEB.72449%***@gallopinginsanity.com>

It's silly to pretend otherwise when I can quote you directly, but do
keep going... maybe a family member will see you're 'stuck' again and
call someone to help you ;)
Snit
2019-08-03 22:22:02 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
-------------------------------------------------
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----
My question to you is why, other than to confuse issues with so many lies nobody else will follow a conversation, do you pile so many lies on top of each other?
-------------------------------------------------
Notice how you keep running from this question.
And you ran from that again.
You think when YOU write I am speaking for you.

LOL!

Yeah, Carroll... you are full on arguing with yourself.
Post by Steve Carroll
"The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)"
"More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
local to you in that it is near where you live..."
You clearly saw the words "demo" and "local" and came up with: "local to
you in that it is near where you live". Anyone can see I even stated
that "*you* proved it was local", a reference to what I previously pointed
to...your "proof" in this link (the *only* proof you've ever provided)...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
.... as seen in your post (that you even made a short link for)
It's silly to pretend otherwise when I can quote you directly, but do
keep going... maybe a family member will see you're 'stuck' again and
call someone to help you ;)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 22:27:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
-------------------------------------------------
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----
My question to you is why, other than to confuse issues with so many lies nobody else will follow a conversation, do you pile so many lies on top of each other?
-------------------------------------------------
Notice how you keep running from this question.
And you ran from that again.
You think when YOU write I am speaking for you
Stop thinking you're me, it's spooky... we may have to call the police
to see if you're OK.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)"
"More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
local to you in that it is near where you live..."
You clearly saw the words "demo" and "local" and came up with: "local to
you in that it is near where you live". Anyone can see I even stated
that "*you* proved it was local", a reference to what I previously pointed
to...your "proof" in this link (the *only* proof you've ever provided)...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
.... as seen in your post (that you even made a short link for)
It's silly to pretend otherwise when I can quote you directly, but do
keep going... maybe a family member will see you're 'stuck' again and
call someone to help you ;)
Snit
2019-08-03 23:29:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
       -----
       The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you*
proved it
       was local ;)
       -----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
This is you speaking for me... as you argue with yourself... hence
-------------------------------------------------
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site,
archived here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
    -----
    The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
    was local ;)
    -----
I noted Carroll's game (surely he cannot be claiming a site archived
    -----
    More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
    was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
    prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
    live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
    -----
    -----
    It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
    where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
    you in that it is near where you live".
    -----
My question to you is why, other than to confuse issues with so many
lies nobody else will follow a conversation, do you pile so many lies
on top of each other?
-------------------------------------------------
Notice how you keep running from this question.
And you ran from that again.
You think when YOU write I am speaking for you.
LOL!
Yeah, Carroll... you are full on arguing with yourself.
Carroll saw this and got so freaked out he threatened to call the
police... once again he is threatening to take things out of COLA.

He is pissed the police talked to him about how he harasses people in my
life and he blames me for it. If he would just stop harassing people
maybe his family would not have done the things he claims they have done
to him!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:33:30 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi502r$aih$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
This is you speaking for me...
"The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)"
"More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
local to you in that it is near where you live..."
You clearly saw the words "demo" and "local" and came up with: "local to
you in that it is near where you live". Anyone can see I even stated
that "*you* proved it was local", a reference to what I previously pointed
to...your "proof" in this link (the *only* proof you've ever provided)...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
... as seen in your post (that you even made a short link for)
It's silly to pretend otherwise when I can quote you directly, but do
keep going... maybe a family member will see you're 'stuck' again and
call someone to help you ;)
Snip thinks localhost means next door....BWAHAHAHAHA
Snit
2019-08-03 23:30:33 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
(snip)
Post by Snit
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----
You're a pro web dev and you don't know what the words "demo" and
"local" mean. Trust me, you've made it crystal clear already, Snit ;)
This is you speaking for me...
"The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)"
"More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
local to you in that it is near where you live..."
You clearly saw the words "demo" and "local" and came up with: "local to
you in that it is near where you live". Anyone can see I even stated
that "*you* proved it was local", a reference to what I previously pointed
to...your "proof" in this link (the *only* proof you've ever provided)...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
... as seen in your post (that you even made a short link for)
It's silly to pretend otherwise when I can quote you directly, but do
keep going... maybe a family member will see you're 'stuck' again and
call someone to help you ;)
Snip thinks localhost means next door....BWAHAHAHAHA
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>

Steve Carroll:
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----

I noted Carroll's game (surely he cannot be claiming a site archived by
the WayBackMachine was not a live site):

Snit:
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----

Carroll, on being busted lying about the site being "local":
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:18:29 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi49f4$osn$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? I don't know shit about IT
and still know better than that.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:30:49 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? I don't know shit about IT
and still know better than that.
Keep in mind Carroll lied. But you support dishonesty.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:41:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? I don't know shit about IT
and still know better than that.
Keep in mind Carroll lied. But you support dishonesty.
Keep in mind you ARE dishonest and I don't support you.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 18:49:35 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? i
If he doesn't, I don't know why he would've written that when I was
referring to a local demo site (other than he's willing to lie about
as stupidly as one can lie to try an' avoid the fact he's lying).
I don't know shit about IT and still know better than that.
Same here, I know some basic web dev stuff but not much about "IT".
Snit's pissed because, even though I'm just a hobbyist at web stuff,
I run circles around him. Back in COLA he used to antagonize (whine)
at a couple of people who did web dev for a living. He kept attacking
their work and/or pushing the BS that they weren't really 'pros'.

He did much the same in COLA with IT related topics, where a guy named
Marek (also self taught, like me) just wiped the floor with him. Snit
does stuff like that (attack the most knowledgable) because he has self
esteem issues, that's why he has such a case of the ass for me... I'm
not 'schooled' like he is ;)
Snit
2019-08-03 19:03:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? i
If he doesn't, I don't know why he would've written that when I was
referring to a local demo site (other than he's willing to lie about
as stupidly as one can lie to try an' avoid the fact he's lying).
I don't know shit about IT and still know better than that.
Same here, I know some basic web dev stuff but not much about "IT".
Snit's pissed because, even though I'm just a hobbyist at web stuff,
I run circles around him. Back in COLA he used to antagonize (whine)
at a couple of people who did web dev for a living. He kept attacking
their work and/or pushing the BS that they weren't really 'pros'.
He did much the same in COLA with IT related topics, where a guy named
Marek (also self taught, like me) just wiped the floor with him. Snit
does stuff like that (attack the most knowledgable) because he has self
esteem issues, that's why he has such a case of the ass for me... I'm
not 'schooled' like he is ;)
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>

Steve Carroll:
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----

I noted Carroll's game (surely he cannot be claiming a site archived by
the WayBackMachine was not a live site):

Snit:
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----

Carroll, on being busted lying about the site being "local":
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----

My question to you is why, other than to confuse issues with so many
lies nobody else will follow a conversation, do you pile so many lies on
top of each other?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:54:30 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi4kvu$klp$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? i
If he doesn't, I don't know why he would've written that when I was
referring to a local demo site (other than he's willing to lie about
as stupidly as one can lie to try an' avoid the fact he's lying).
I don't know shit about IT and still know better than that.
Same here, I know some basic web dev stuff but not much about "IT".
Snit's pissed because, even though I'm just a hobbyist at web stuff,
I run circles around him. Back in COLA he used to antagonize (whine)
at a couple of people who did web dev for a living. He kept attacking
their work and/or pushing the BS that they weren't really 'pros'.
He did much the same in COLA with IT related topics, where a guy named
Marek (also self taught, like me) just wiped the floor with him. Snit
does stuff like that (attack the most knowledgable) because he has self
esteem issues, that's why he has such a case of the ass for me... I'm
not 'schooled' like he is ;)
People like Snit who claims to be an IT tech and Kensi who claims to be
an astrophysicist don't usually spend all day lying on usenet.
Snit
2019-08-03 19:10:09 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
The guy has a Masters degree in IT... I think we now know why he isn't
working in IT. The taxpayers should demand a refund for what they spent
on his 'education', he's proven to be a bad "investment" ;)
Snit's "proof"...
<http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820>
In case the link breaks... preserved for posterity (and laughing at Snit)
<https://imgur.com/a/0CG4aAw>
Ask him what happened to his Wordpress blog and the websites that used
to be in his portfolio section on his 'business' site. You'll see some
*real* spinning there. LOL!
He thinks "local host" means in your area? I don't know shit about IT
and still know better than that.
In a discussion about the "Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, archived
here in the WayBackMachine: <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>

Steve Carroll:
-----
The demo I built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it
was local ;)
-----

I noted Carroll's game (surely he cannot be claiming a site archived by
the WayBackMachine was not a live site):

Snit:
-----
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant
was local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I
prove above the the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a
live site and is archived by the WayBackMachine.
-----

Carroll, on being busted lying about the site being "local":
-----
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is
where he 'explained' how 'localhost' means: "local to
you in that it is near where you live".
-----


As is his norm, Carroll lied.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:55:41 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
You snipped his whole post you dishonest troll.
It's obvious that he's lying... the funnier part is where he 'explained'
how 'localhost' means: "local to you in that it is near where you live".
Snit snipped and ran from this.
mixed nuts
2019-08-03 15:45:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
He doesn't read. Too smart. Already knows the answers. Stable
Supergenius guy. His daddy was born in Germany.
Damn you are a narcissist.
That's impossible - my daddy wasn't born in Germany and I don't own a
resort with rat and vermin infestations and various other health code
violations that could make my Russian and China people investors sick
while I collude with them.
--
Grizzly H.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:19:40 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi4a7q$bth$***@gioia.aioe.org>, ***@undulatus.budgie
says...
Post by mixed nuts
Post by Skeeter
He doesn't read. Too smart. Already knows the answers. Stable
Supergenius guy. His daddy was born in Germany.
Damn you are a narcissist.
That's impossible - my daddy wasn't born in Germany and I don't own a
resort with rat and vermin infestations and various other health code
violations that could make my Russian and China people investors sick
while I collude with them.
Nice spin.
mixed nuts
2019-08-03 18:32:47 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by mixed nuts
Post by Skeeter
He doesn't read. Too smart. Already knows the answers. Stable
Supergenius guy. His daddy was born in Germany.
Damn you are a narcissist.
That's impossible - my daddy wasn't born in Germany and I don't own a
resort with rat and vermin infestations and various other health code
violations that could make my Russian and China people investors sick
while I collude with them.
Nice spin.
I know. And so true.
--
Grizzly H.
Snit
2019-08-03 19:09:37 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by mixed nuts
Post by Skeeter
He doesn't read. Too smart. Already knows the answers. Stable
Supergenius guy. His daddy was born in Germany.
Damn you are a narcissist.
That's impossible - my daddy wasn't born in Germany and I don't own a
resort with rat and vermin infestations and various other health code
violations that could make my Russian and China people investors sick
while I collude with them.
Nice spin.
You know exactly what he is talking about... and that he is exactly right.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:46:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
says...
Post by mixed nuts
Post by Skeeter
He doesn't read. Too smart. Already knows the answers. Stable
Supergenius guy. His daddy was born in Germany.
Damn you are a narcissist.
That's impossible - my daddy wasn't born in Germany and I don't own a
resort with rat and vermin infestations and various other health code
violations that could make my Russian and China people investors sick
while I collude with them.
Nice spin.
You know exactly what he is talking about... and that he is exactly right.
No one ever knows what the hell mixed nuts is talking about.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 16:20:34 UTC
Permalink
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from). BTW,
what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out of business
because you've created a situation where no one wants to be a farmer (or
a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for that matter)?

I realize that the phrase "promote the general welfare" means, in your
mind, 'give away a bunch of free stuff by taking it from people left
wondering WTF?', but has it ever occurred to you that you don't actually
"promote" anything by *encouraging* people to be fat to the point where
it's a health crisis? Shouldn't we have a situation where the unhealthy,
due to their life choices, should bear the brunt of costs while those
who've taken care of themselves get the break? Does that not sound more
like 'promotion'? Is there no concept of self responsibility in your
'plan', everything is just magically 'made better' by Daddy Government?
What is being 'promoted' towards the general welfare by doing this? I'm
not seeing it.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:10:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation. You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.

But instead of facing your own desire to take the vote from people, you
lie about others wanting to do so. You twist the idea of EQUAL rights to
be YOU being a victim. It is a part of the right wing victim mentality.

Below you pretend that somehow equal rights has all sorts of bad
consequences, as if allowing more people to vote (blacks and women and
non-land owners) and ending slavery and allowing gays equal rights to
marriage is what "destroyed" the country.

But let me guess -- you STILL deny you are showing open bigotry.
Post by Steve Carroll
BTW,
what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out of business
because you've created a situation where no one wants to be a farmer (or
a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for that matter)?
I realize that the phrase "promote the general welfare" means, in your
mind, 'give away a bunch of free stuff by taking it from people left
wondering WTF?', but has it ever occurred to you that you don't actually
"promote" anything by *encouraging* people to be fat to the point where
it's a health crisis? Shouldn't we have a situation where the unhealthy,
due to their life choices, should bear the brunt of costs while those
who've taken care of themselves get the break? Does that not sound more
like 'promotion'? Is there no concept of self responsibility in your
'plan', everything is just magically 'made better' by Daddy Government?
What is being 'promoted' towards the general welfare by doing this? I'm
not seeing it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:24:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation. You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.
He never said that, you did. He's talking about the electoral vote. You
want it gone. Without it votes from middle America would not count.
People in prison lost their voting right when the committed the crime.
Post by Snit
But instead of facing your own desire to take the vote from people, you
lie about others wanting to do so. You twist the idea of EQUAL rights to
be YOU being a victim. It is a part of the right wing victim mentality.
He never said that, you did.
Post by Snit
Below you pretend that somehow equal rights has all sorts of bad
consequences, as if allowing more people to vote (blacks and women and
non-land owners) and ending slavery and allowing gays equal rights to
marriage is what "destroyed" the country.
He never said that, you did.
Post by Snit
But let me guess -- you STILL deny you are showing open bigotry.
Post by Steve Carroll
BTW,
what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out of business
because you've created a situation where no one wants to be a farmer (or
a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for that matter)?
I realize that the phrase "promote the general welfare" means, in your
mind, 'give away a bunch of free stuff by taking it from people left
wondering WTF?', but has it ever occurred to you that you don't actually
"promote" anything by *encouraging* people to be fat to the point where
it's a health crisis? Shouldn't we have a situation where the unhealthy,
due to their life choices, should bear the brunt of costs while those
who've taken care of themselves get the break? Does that not sound more
like 'promotion'? Is there no concept of self responsibility in your
'plan', everything is just magically 'made better' by Daddy Government?
What is being 'promoted' towards the general welfare by doing this? I'm
not seeing it.
The Snit pattern is already starting to emerge. Soon Snit will snip and
run claiming we never responded.
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 18:58:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate.  You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You want elimination of the electoral college system and election
of POTUS by nationwide popular vote. That's not the same thing.
Snit
2019-08-03 19:01:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate.  You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You want elimination of the electoral college system and election
of POTUS by nationwide popular vote.  That's not the same thing.
One is a subset of the other, and thus they are not the same thing. Correct.

There are many other areas where representation is not equal. But the
focus here is on the Electoral College... and on THAT topic my general
principle applies: I want equal rights in terms of representation, which
the Electoral College with its system akin to affirmative action for
those in less populated states clearly goes against.

Right wingers tend to be heavily against the very concept of equal
rights... this is yet another example where we see that.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:38:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate.  You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You want elimination of the electoral college system and election
of POTUS by nationwide popular vote.  That's not the same thing.
One is a subset of the other, and thus they are not the same thing. Correct.
There are many other areas where representation is not equal. But the
focus here is on the Electoral College... and on THAT topic my general
principle applies: I want equal rights in terms of representation, which
the Electoral College with its system akin to affirmative action for
those in less populated states clearly goes against.
Right wingers tend to be heavily against the very concept of equal
rights... this is yet another example where we see that.
What does equal rights have to do with states with a lower population
being noticed?
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 21:08:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:21:25 -0700, Snit
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate.  You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You want elimination of the electoral college system and election
of POTUS by nationwide popular vote.  That's not the same thing.
One is a subset of the other, and thus they are not the same thing. Correct.
There are many other areas where representation is not equal. But the
focus here is on the Electoral College... and on THAT topic my general
principle applies: I want equal rights in terms of representation, which
the Electoral College with its system akin to affirmative action for
those in less populated states clearly goes against.
Go ahead and push for a constitutional amendment. Let us know how
that works out for you.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:10:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:21:25 -0700, Snit
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate.  You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You want elimination of the electoral college system and election
of POTUS by nationwide popular vote.  That's not the same thing.
One is a subset of the other, and thus they are not the same thing. Correct.
There are many other areas where representation is not equal. But the
focus here is on the Electoral College... and on THAT topic my general
principle applies: I want equal rights in terms of representation,
which the Electoral College with its system akin to affirmative action
for those in less populated states clearly goes against.
Go ahead and push for a constitutional amendment.  Let us know how
that works out for you.
It is not likely to work -- those with special entitlements rarely are
willing to easily give them up. Heck, you are right now arguing for how
important those special entitlements are to you.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 20:12:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
No, you have proven you do not.
Post by Snit
You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
This is a typical Snit lie.

People in prison have already had their right to vote removed. They've
had MANY of their rights removed. That's the idea behind prison.

Snit frantically claims "right wingers" want to remove prisoners'
right to vote when that was agreed upon by all political parties
decades ago, and the vast majority of Americans agree.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/441863-poll-69-percent-of-voters-say-prisoners-shouldnt-be-allowed-to
Post by Snit
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. It is false. Denying them a
right to vote (or denying any of the other rights they had) doesn't
create an incentive to imprison people.

Snit will run from this, as he always-- without exception-- does.
%
2019-08-03 20:14:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
No, you have proven you do not.
Post by Snit
You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
This is a typical Snit lie.
People in prison have already had their right to vote removed. They've
had MANY of their rights removed. That's the idea behind prison.
Snit frantically claims "right wingers" want to remove prisoners'
right to vote when that was agreed upon by all political parties
decades ago, and the vast majority of Americans agree.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/441863-poll-69-percent-of-voters-say-prisoners-shouldnt-be-allowed-to
Post by Snit
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. It is false. Denying them a
right to vote (or denying any of the other rights they had) doesn't
create an incentive to imprison people.
Snit will run from this, as he always-- without exception-- does.
he doesn't want you to suck him up your bum
Snit
2019-08-03 22:05:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by %
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate.  You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
No, you have proven you do not.
Post by Snit
You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
This is a typical Snit lie.
People in prison have already had their right to vote removed. They've
had MANY of their rights removed. That's the idea behind prison.
It gives incentive (more) to lock people up. Let those in prison vote.
Let ALL adult US citizens vote.
Post by %
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Snit frantically claims "right wingers" want to remove prisoners'
right to vote
Which you just noted I am correct about.
Post by %
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
when that was agreed upon by all political parties
decades ago, and the vast majority of Americans agree.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/441863-poll-69-percent-of-voters-say-prisoners-shouldnt-be-allowed-to
Post by Snit
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. It is false. Denying them a
right to vote (or denying any of the other rights they had) doesn't
create an incentive to imprison people.
Snit will run from this, as he always-- without exception-- does.
he doesn't want you to suck him up your bum
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 20:56:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You have it under the constitution you liberal progressives just
hate that 4 or 5 States can't rule over all.

Maybe it is tie to allow States to leave the Union have a US version
of Brexit.
Post by Snit
You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.\
Who's vote is removed? The illegals they can't vote and shouldn't be
able to get ANY aid from the US taxpayers.
Post by Snit
But instead of facing your own desire to take the vote from people, you
lie about others wanting to do so. You twist the idea of EQUAL rights to
be YOU being a victim. It is a part of the right wing victim mentality.
Below you pretend that somehow equal rights has all sorts of bad
consequences, as if allowing more people to vote (blacks and women and
non-land owners) and ending slavery and allowing gays equal rights to
marriage is what "destroyed" the country.
You always go to the extreme, This is getting more boring than
staying in a hotel.
Post by Snit
But let me guess -- you STILL deny you are showing open bigotry.
I believe in this

All people should be treated as equals with limited respect no matter
Race, Sex, Religion or Orientation, with no preferential treatment for
Race, Sex, Religion or Orientation.

I do not believe any race should get preferential treatment.

Your kind believe they should get preferential treatment and they
should not.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
BTW,
what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out of business
because you've created a situation where no one wants to be a farmer (or
a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for that matter)?
I realize that the phrase "promote the general welfare" means, in your
mind, 'give away a bunch of free stuff by taking it from people left
wondering WTF?', but has it ever occurred to you that you don't actually
"promote" anything by *encouraging* people to be fat to the point where
it's a health crisis? Shouldn't we have a situation where the unhealthy,
due to their life choices, should bear the brunt of costs while those
who've taken care of themselves get the break? Does that not sound more
like 'promotion'? Is there no concept of self responsibility in your
'plan', everything is just magically 'made better' by Daddy Government?
What is being 'promoted' towards the general welfare by doing this? I'm
not seeing it.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:02:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
The electoral college is to keep the populous States from hamming it
over the smaller. The same with the Senate. You liberals will never
get rid of either.
We are not likely to go end the special entitlements. Agreed.
LOL! Right, because it's not a "special entitlement" for fat, out of
shape people to get their medical costs lowered by those in shape (like
the ones on farms in the areas you want to remove the vote from).
I want equal rights to representation.
You have it under the constitution
Incorrect. The constitution has a system akin to affirmative action
where those in less populated states get more-than-equal representation.
This was pushed mostly by the slave states... and is a relic of them
being afraid of losing the "right" to own slaves.
Post by Mattb
you liberal progressives just
hate that 4 or 5 States can't rule over all.
Maybe it is tie to allow States to leave the Union have a US version
of Brexit.
Post by Snit
You twist that to me wanting to
remove the vote for some. This is what you extreme right wingers do --
YOU want to remove the right to vote from people in prison, for example,
where I want ALL citizens to be able to vote. By denying the right to
vote for people in prison we as a country have created even more
incentive to imprison people. That is bad.\
Who's vote is removed?
People who cannot get IDs (and there are many). Native Americans who do
not have an "acceptable" address. Homeless who do not have an
"acceptable" address. People in prison. Others.

Add to that even when people can vote there is massive gerrymandering
and a Republican Senate that is literally voting to NOT work to prevent
Russia and others who seek to hurt the US from having illegal influence.
Post by Mattb
The illegals they can't vote and shouldn't be
able to get ANY aid from the US taxpayers.
Post by Snit
But instead of facing your own desire to take the vote from people, you
lie about others wanting to do so. You twist the idea of EQUAL rights to
be YOU being a victim. It is a part of the right wing victim mentality.
Below you pretend that somehow equal rights has all sorts of bad
consequences, as if allowing more people to vote (blacks and women and
non-land owners) and ending slavery and allowing gays equal rights to
marriage is what "destroyed" the country.
Notice how you have no counter to this. It is simply a fact that you
tried to push the idea that equal rights lead to bad things. You said,
of equal rights:

-----
BTW, what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out
of business because you've created a situation where no one
wants to be a farmer (or a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for
that matter)?
-----

It was an extreme and bizarre jump for you to make. Then you accuse me
of being "extreme".
Post by Mattb
You always go to the extreme, This is getting more boring than
staying in a hotel.
Post by Snit
But let me guess -- you STILL deny you are showing open bigotry.
I believe in this
Even as you suggest equal rights will lead to all sort of problems:

-----
BTW, what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out
of business because you've created a situation where no one
wants to be a farmer (or a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for
that matter)?
-----
Post by Mattb
All people should be treated as equals with limited respect no matter
Race, Sex, Religion or Orientation, with no preferential treatment for
Race, Sex, Religion or Orientation.
I do not believe any race should get preferential treatment.
Your kind believe they should get preferential treatment and they
should not.
A direct lie on your part. Remember the other day when you said I could
not quote you lying -- it is very easy to do so. When you get worked up
and realize you cannot back your views you lash out with lies to try to
put me on the defensive. It is a common right wing tactic.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
BTW,
what does your 'plan' to do address all farms going out of business
because you've created a situation where no one wants to be a farmer (or
a cop, doctor, teacher, etc., for that matter)?
I realize that the phrase "promote the general welfare" means, in your
mind, 'give away a bunch of free stuff by taking it from people left
wondering WTF?', but has it ever occurred to you that you don't actually
"promote" anything by *encouraging* people to be fat to the point where
it's a health crisis? Shouldn't we have a situation where the unhealthy,
due to their life choices, should bear the brunt of costs while those
who've taken care of themselves get the break? Does that not sound more
like 'promotion'? Is there no concept of self responsibility in your
'plan', everything is just magically 'made better' by Daddy Government?
What is being 'promoted' towards the general welfare by doing this? I'm
not seeing it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:29:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Your kind believe they should get preferential treatment and they
should not.
A direct lie on your part. Remember the other day when you said I could
not quote you lying -- it is very easy to do so. When you get worked up
and realize you cannot back your views you lash out with lies to try to
put me on the defensive. It is a common right wing tactic.
You haven't proved yet he lies. You are dishonest.
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 17:16:46 UTC
Permalink
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other;
And nothing ever comes of it, right? No jobs are ever created, no gov't
contracts are ever doled out?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/
You know what *does* create jobs? *Unmet demand*. And what creates that?
Putting more spending cash in the pockets of the working class and
unemployed.
You know what does that? Personal responsibility. Improving
your talents. Making yourself more valuable to employers.
NOT more government power and control. NOT government-
compelled "redistribution" of other people's money.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:25:41 UTC
Permalink
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other;
And nothing ever comes of it, right? No jobs are ever created, no gov't
contracts are ever doled out?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/
You know what *does* create jobs? *Unmet demand*. And what creates
that? Putting more spending cash in the pockets of the working class
and unemployed.
You know what does that?  Personal responsibility. Improving
your talents.  Making yourself more valuable to employers.
NOT more government power and control.
You act like someone is against personal responsibility even as they
argue they want to promote people taking personal responsibility by
having a stronger tie between productivity and financial reward.

Breaking this tie, which has been getting more and more broken since the
1980s, discourages the very things you say you want.
NOT government-
compelled "redistribution" of other people's money.
As that tie breaks we are redistributing money TO the rich. You again
shoot yourself in the foot.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:27:33 UTC
Permalink
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).

Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).

You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:28:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 20:12:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust. You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
%
2019-08-03 20:13:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust. You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
thank you for the play by play on what snit does
Snit
2019-08-03 22:04:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:59:03 -0700, Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775.  A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust.  You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
thank you for the play by play on what snit does
He has a "Snit" in his brain that does weird things only he can see.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:31:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:59:03 -0700, Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775.  A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust.  You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
thank you for the play by play on what snit does
He has a "Snit" in his brain that does weird things only he can see.
He doesn't respond 900 times a day with copy/paste bullshit like you do.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:03:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust. You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
Hey, I accept your skepticism and agree it is AT LEAST $775 per day per
child. I thank you for your correction, even if your did it to troll and
ended up shooting yourself in the foot.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 22:10:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust. You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
Hey, I accept your skepticism and agree it is AT LEAST $775 per day per
child.
And yet, you're telling how the gov't can 'do everything right', trust
them because they *know* how to spend money <eyeroll>. It is hilarious
how you'll now disbelieve them based on the number being too low as you
push for 'big(er) gov't.
Post by Snit
I thank you for your correction, even if your did it to troll and
ended up shooting yourself in the foot.
Lock the medicine cabinet... and hide the key from yourself ;)
Snit
2019-08-03 22:22:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust. You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
Hey, I accept your skepticism and agree it is AT LEAST $775 per day per
child.
And yet, you're telling how the gov't can 'do everything right', trust
them because they *know* how to spend money <eyeroll>.
This is you speaking FOR me -- or really, the little "Snit" that lives
rent free in your head.

Remember, the voices in your head you attribute to me are not ME.
Post by Steve Carroll
It is hilarious
how you'll now disbelieve them based on the number being too low as you
push for 'big(er) gov't.
Post by Snit
I thank you for your correction, even if your did it to troll and
ended up shooting yourself in the foot.
Lock the medicine cabinet... and hide the key from yourself ;)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 23:14:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust. You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
Hey, I accept your skepticism and agree it is AT LEAST $775 per day per
child.
And yet, you're telling how the gov't can 'do everything right', trust
them because they *know* how to spend money <eyeroll>.
This is you speaking FOR me
Right... like this agenda of yours isn't oozing out of 80% of your posts.
Pull the other one.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
It is hilarious
how you'll now disbelieve them based on the number being too low as you
push for 'big(er) gov't.
Post by Snit
I thank you for your correction, even if your did it to troll and
ended up shooting yourself in the foot.
Lock the medicine cabinet... and hide the key from yourself ;)
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 22:55:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:59:03 -0700, Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775.  A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust.  You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
Hey, I accept your skepticism and agree it is AT LEAST $775 per day per
child.
This is the same government you claim will bring us lower health
care prices if only we surrender the entire health care system
to single payer.
Snit
2019-08-03 23:34:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:59:03 -0700, Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775.  A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT LEAST
$775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and shooting
yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since seeking
asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the corporate
socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER back child
abuse as you do.
You are dishonest. You were asked to provide proof of that amount and
you keep diverting from it. Snit is dishonest.
It's even funnier because Snit doesn't believe other things released by
they HHS, so his source is something even he doesn't trust.  You can't
buy comedy like this ;)
Hey, I accept your skepticism and agree it is AT LEAST $775 per day
per child.
This is the same government you claim will bring us lower health
care prices if only we surrender the entire health care system
to single payer.
See: that is a fine example of you lying. I am noting a simple fact that
if we take out middlemen corporations who are siphoning off BILLIONS of
dollars from our health care system that clearly our health care will
cost less. And we see this is not just theory -- in countries which do
various forms of this they have better outcomes and lower costs, based
at least in part on the obvious causes that have been discussed.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 18:56:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made...
I'm just wondering why you'd take the word of an outfit where you've
made it obvious you believe they're not being "honest and honorable".
So that other link I put up, you agree with what they wrote?

Snit runs in 3...2...1... LOL!

(cue up Snit pretending he doesn't know what I'm talking about)
Snit
2019-08-03 19:00:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT
LEAST $775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and
shooting yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since
seeking asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the
corporate socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER
back child abuse as you do.
Notice how Carroll ran from the above... LOL! I make it perfectly clear
I accept his suggestion they may have lied and he insists this means I
am taking their word.

Poor extreme right winger racist assholes -- they can almost never back
their idiotic claims.
Post by Steve Carroll
I'm just wondering why you'd take the word of an outfit where you've
made it obvious you believe they're not being "honest and honorable".
So that other link I put up, you agree with what they wrote?
Snit runs in 3...2...1... LOL!
(cue up Snit pretending he doesn't know what I'm talking about)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:37:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT
LEAST $775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and
shooting yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since
seeking asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the
corporate socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER
back child abuse as you do.
Notice how Carroll ran from the above...
You have copy/pasted it 900 times, people are tired of seeing it.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:41:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT
LEAST $775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and
shooting yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since
seeking asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the
corporate socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER
back child abuse as you do.
Notice how Carroll ran from the above...
You have copy/pasted it 900 times, people are tired of seeing it.
He may very well have run 900 times. I would not be surprised. He is
just gonna keep lying no matter what.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:25:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
(snip)
What I want is a list of why it cost $775. A itemized statement.
I do not believe that has been released. If so I have not seen it. i
You know what else hasn't been released? A post by you explaining why
you believe HHS (which is where you got the $775 figure) only when it
suits you.
You think they lied about the amount of money they made... and thus
likely get even more (after all they have an incentive to make
themselves look good, and costing more makes them look bad).
Fair enough: I should say, based on your claims, that they make AT
LEAST $775 per child per day. Thanks for pointing this out (and
shooting yourself in the foot again).
You and other right wingers are defending felony child abuse tied to
redistribution of money to the for-profit prison corporations because
their parents MIGHT have committed a misdemeanor (though since
seeking asylum is legal that is not even a given). I cannot back the
corporate socialism that you are OK with, and even worse I will NEVER
back child abuse as you do.
Notice how Carroll ran from the above...
You have copy/pasted it 900 times, people are tired of seeing it.
He may very well have run 900 times. I would not be surprised. He is
just gonna keep lying no matter what.
You are dishonest, he replies and it scares you so you snip and say he
ran. You are dishonest.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:28:10 UTC
Permalink
I disagree with you about this... but clearly Carroll agrees. Why do you
two see everything as being about me? It is creepy as hell.
It's you that keeps repeating your paranoia. No one is stalking or
harassing you yet you keep making reference to it. Are you skeered
little fella?
Snit claims-- out of one side of his mouth-- that it's "creepy as
hell."
Yet he does absolutely nothing BUT encourage it, over and over again.
Interesting.
I think the 'citizens' of usenet should help Snit find a way to monetize
continually setting himself up as a 'victim'. It's not like we don't
get anything out of it ;)
I cannot get Carroll to stop... but I sure as hell can rub his nose in
his mess time and time again.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:29:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
I disagree with you about this... but clearly Carroll agrees. Why do you
two see everything as being about me? It is creepy as hell.
It's you that keeps repeating your paranoia. No one is stalking or
harassing you yet you keep making reference to it. Are you skeered
little fella?
Snit claims-- out of one side of his mouth-- that it's "creepy as
hell."
Yet he does absolutely nothing BUT encourage it, over and over again.
Interesting.
I think the 'citizens' of usenet should help Snit find a way to monetize
continually setting himself up as a 'victim'. It's not like we don't
get anything out of it ;)
I cannot get Carroll to stop... but I sure as hell can rub his nose in
his mess time and time again.
Maybe if you stop acting like a victim Carroll will stop kicking you
around.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 20:02:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
I disagree with you about this... but clearly Carroll agrees. Why do you
two see everything as being about me? It is creepy as hell.
It's you that keeps repeating your paranoia. No one is stalking or
harassing you yet you keep making reference to it. Are you skeered
little fella?
Snit claims-- out of one side of his mouth-- that it's "creepy as
hell."
Yet he does absolutely nothing BUT encourage it, over and over again.
Interesting.
I think the 'citizens' of usenet should help Snit find a way to monetize
continually setting himself up as a 'victim'. It's not like we don't
get anything out of it ;)
I cannot get Carroll to stop... but I sure as hell can rub his nose in
his mess time and time again.
Maybe if you stop acting like a victim Carroll will stop kicking you
around.
Interesting how Snit does everything he can to gain Mr. Carroll's
attention, but pretends he wants him to "stop."

That's a lie, of course.

Snit NEEDS Mr. Carroll's attention.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:29:18 UTC
Permalink
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
We never claimed we did.
Neither do I, but you support guilty before proven innocent.
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.

So happy to hear you take on this liberal position. Thanks!
Only
because you hate Trump.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:30:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
We never claimed we did.
Neither do I, but you support guilty before proven innocent.
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Post by Snit
So happy to hear you take on this liberal position. Thanks!
Only
because you hate Trump.
Snit
2019-08-03 19:08:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
We never claimed we did.
Neither do I, but you support guilty before proven innocent.
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
I am agreeing with you that we should not support "guilty before proven
innocent". I am suggesting you apply your own principle to poor
non-white people.

But that got you all bent out of shape.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
So happy to hear you take on this liberal position. Thanks!
Only
because you hate Trump.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:46:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
We never claimed we did.
Neither do I, but you support guilty before proven innocent.
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
I am agreeing with you that we should not support "guilty before proven
innocent". I am suggesting you apply your own principle to poor
non-white people.
Stop playing the race card you moron, my first wife was from Mexico and
my closest friend is from El Salvador. I am not racist. I am opposed to
white people entering the country illegally also.
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
So happy to hear you take on this liberal position. Thanks!
Only
because you hate Trump.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:53:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
We never claimed we did.
Neither do I, but you support guilty before proven innocent.
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
I am agreeing with you that we should not support "guilty before proven
innocent". I am suggesting you apply your own principle to poor
non-white people.
Notice you do not say you will apply your standard to poor non-white
people... instead you do what you do: play victim.
Post by Skeeter
Stop playing the race card you moron, my first wife was from Mexico and
my closest friend is from El Salvador. I am not racist.
For you to say you are not a racist as you back racism is an oxymoron.
Post by Skeeter
I am opposed to
white people entering the country illegally also.
Not even slightly relevant... but you really suck at following
conversations.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
So happy to hear you take on this liberal position. Thanks!
Only
because you hate Trump.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:27:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
As far as we women are concerned, the ones working to roll back campus
sexual assault policies are "adhering to our Enemies, giving them Aid
and Comfort". Perhaps those ones should be hanged from the neck until dead.
So much for the "tolerant" left.
You're right: we don't tolerate rape. Or misogyny.
We never claimed we did.
Neither do I, but you support guilty before proven innocent.
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
I am agreeing with you that we should not support "guilty before proven
innocent". I am suggesting you apply your own principle to poor
non-white people.
Notice you do not say you will apply your standard to poor non-white
people... instead you do what you do: play victim.
Post by Skeeter
Stop playing the race card you moron, my first wife was from Mexico and
my closest friend is from El Salvador. I am not racist.
For you to say you are not a racist as you back racism is an oxymoron.
Post by Skeeter
I am opposed to
white people entering the country illegally also.
Not even slightly relevant... but you really suck at following
conversations.
You are dishonest Snit, Judging by your answers you want us to be
racist. You promote racism.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 19:59:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Snit knows these people have to be processed before being allowed into
the country.
Snit knows they are not in concentration camps.
Snit knows people in concentration camps don't go there voluntarily.
Snit also knows the "darker-skinned people" in prison had due process,
which he does not believe in.
Snit likes to be humiliated on usenet
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:49:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Snit knows these people have to be processed before being allowed into
the country.
Snit knows they are not in concentration camps.
Snit knows people in concentration camps don't go there voluntarily.
Snit also knows the "darker-skinned people" in prison had due process,
which he does not believe in.
Snit likes to be humiliated on usenet
Snit is dishonest.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:55:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Snit knows these people have to be processed before being allowed into
the country.
Snit knows they are not in concentration camps.
Snit knows people in concentration camps don't go there voluntarily.
Snit also knows the "darker-skinned people" in prison had due process,
which he does not believe in.
Snit likes to be humiliated on usenet
Snit is dishonest.
You respond to Klaus lying by showing you cannot follow a conversation
and even figure out who you responded to. Wow.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:27:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Snit knows these people have to be processed before being allowed into
the country.
Snit knows they are not in concentration camps.
Snit knows people in concentration camps don't go there voluntarily.
Snit also knows the "darker-skinned people" in prison had due process,
which he does not believe in.
Snit likes to be humiliated on usenet
Snit is dishonest.
You respond to Klaus lying by showing you cannot follow a conversation
and even figure out who you responded to. Wow.
You're dishonest.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 23:23:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Snit knows these people have to be processed before being allowed into
the country.
Snit knows they are not in concentration camps.
Snit knows people in concentration camps don't go there voluntarily.
Snit also knows the "darker-skinned people" in prison had due process,
which he does not believe in.
Snit likes to be humiliated on usenet
Snit is dishonest.
You respond to Klaus lying by showing you cannot follow a conversation
and even figure out who you responded to. Wow.
You're dishonest.
I thought you followed the conversation quite well. :)
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-08-03 23:22:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Ah, you do not support "guilty before proven innocent". EXCELLENT! Then
let's apply this to darker skinned people stuck in different camps and
prisons.
Do you really think people reading this can't see you spinning because
you can't refute what I say?
Snit knows these people have to be processed before being allowed into
the country.
Snit knows they are not in concentration camps.
Snit knows people in concentration camps don't go there voluntarily.
Snit also knows the "darker-skinned people" in prison had due process,
which he does not believe in.
Snit likes to be humiliated on usenet
Snit is dishonest.
You respond to Klaus lying
He's telling the truth. You are dishonest.
Post by Snit
by showing you cannot follow a conversation
and even figure out who you responded to. Wow.
He responded to me. What are you babbling about, Michael?

More on Snit's trolling
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html

Over 100 people ridicule Snit
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html

Typical Snit trolling methods
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html

Snit's Troll Scoring
http://usenet.sandman.net/TrollScoring/Snit
Snit
2019-08-03 17:43:26 UTC
Permalink
I think we agree that those who generally speak of identifying with the
term are dangerous and violent and no matter their stated purpose or goal
are dangers to society. I do not think either of us back that in this area.
Do you extend this to other dangerous and violent groups? I do. Left or
right. Legal or illegal. I do not back the use of needless violence.
It is "interesting", however, that the only groups you ever bitch about
are "right-wing".
You mean the groups and the individuals running around killing people in
mass shootings and who have proved themselves to be the largest
terrorist threat to the US.

You mean I focus on that over a non-group that has engaged in, as far as
I have seen, ZERO murders (which does not suggest zero violence, and of
course I do not back the violence).

Yes, Carroll, I focus on murder and terrorism and the destruction of
rights and people demanding special entitlements over people who act
poorly in response to that. ABSOLUTELY!

But you do not. In fact you think it is somehow unfair to treat the two
"sides" here the same -- you want a special focus on those who are not
with you, on the extreme far right. You want special entitlements and
you play victim.

And you are damned right I am against that!
Recently, you even repeated your erroneous statement
that right wing terrorists are the biggest terrorist threat we face.
https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie
-----
January 24, 2019

The fact is right-wing extremists collectively have been responsible for
more than 70 percent of the 427 extremist-related killings over the past
10 years, far outnumbering those committed by left-wing extremists or
domestic Islamist extremists — even with the sharp rise of
Islamist-extremist killings in the past five years.
-----

Notice where right wing terrorism and other such killings have gotten so
bad the stats for them have been split (Islamist extremists are a subset
of extreme right wingers such as yourself).


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
-----
The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year,
and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In
fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the
majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include
the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews
for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an
“incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in
Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the
Jews were dead.”

From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent
of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for
Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists. In other words, most
terrorist attacks in the United States, and most deaths from terrorist
attacks, are caused by white extremists. But they do not cause the sort
of nationwide panic that helped Trump win the 2016 election and helped
the GOP expand its Senate majority in the midterms.

When white extremists kill, politicians do not demand that they be
racially profiled. They do not call for bans on white people coming to
the United States. They do not insist that white people’s freedom of
movement be restricted, their houses of worship be surveilled, their
leaders be banned from holding public office, or their neighborhoods be
“secured” and occupied by armed agents of the state. And they do not
demand that taxpayers foot the bill for a massive, symbolic monument
that will register America’s official disdain for white people in
perpetuity.
------

Wow... it is as if their description of such bigotry was written for you!


https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
------
The threat from right-wing terrorism in the United States—and
Europe—appears to be rising. Of particular concern are white
supremacists and anti-government extremists, such as militia groups and
so-called sovereign citizens interested in plotting attacks against
government, racial, religious, and political targets in the United
States. The October 27, 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue shooting by Robert
Bowers, and the arrest a day earlier of Cesar Sayoc who sent pipe bombs
to prominent Democrats, appear to be the most recent manifestations of
this trend. Both perpetrators were far-right extremists. Although
violent left-wing groups and individuals also present a threat,
far-right-networks appear to be better armed and larger. There also is a
continuing threat from extremists inspired by the Islamic State and
al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from right-wing extremists since
2014 has been greater than attacks from Islamic extremists.
-----


I know... this is evidence and you hate that.
I
realize you like to parrot articles you've read but that idea is silly by
most any sensible metric (loss of life, loss of $$, etc.). Just because
Islamic extremists are much more patient and plan far more effectively
doesn't mean our homegrown ntiwits are even close to the damage they've
done. The homies are years, if not decades, behind.
Ah, you and your fellow non-Islamic right wing extremists are being
over-represented because you think other right wing extremists are more
patient and capable than you are.

You are ALWAYS the victim of your lack of abilities. Oy.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:30:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
I think we agree that those who generally speak of identifying with the
term are dangerous and violent and no matter their stated purpose or goal
are dangers to society. I do not think either of us back that in this area.
Do you extend this to other dangerous and violent groups? I do. Left or
right. Legal or illegal. I do not back the use of needless violence.
It is "interesting", however, that the only groups you ever bitch about
are "right-wing".
You mean the groups and the individuals running around killing people in
mass shootings and who have proved themselves to be the largest
terrorist threat to the US.
You mean I focus on that over a non-group that has engaged in, as far as
I have seen, ZERO murders (which does not suggest zero violence, and of
course I do not back the violence).
Yes, Carroll, I focus on murder and terrorism and the destruction of
rights and people demanding special entitlements over people who act
poorly in response to that. ABSOLUTELY!
But you do not. In fact you think it is somehow unfair to treat the two
"sides" here the same -- you want a special focus on those who are not
with you, on the extreme far right. You want special entitlements and
you play victim.
And you are damned right I am against that!
Recently, you even repeated your erroneous statement
that right wing terrorists are the biggest terrorist threat we face.
https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie
-----
January 24, 2019
The fact is right-wing extremists collectively have been responsible for
more than 70 percent of the 427 extremist-related killings over the past
10 years, far outnumbering those committed by left-wing extremists or
domestic Islamist extremists — even with the sharp rise of
Islamist-extremist killings in the past five years.
-----
Notice where right wing terrorism and other such killings have gotten so
bad the stats for them have been split (Islamist extremists are a subset
of extreme right wingers such as yourself).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
-----
The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year,
and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In
fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the
majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include
the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews
for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an
“incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in
Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the
Jews were dead.”
From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent
of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for
Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists. In other words, most
terrorist attacks in the United States, and most deaths from terrorist
attacks, are caused by white extremists. But they do not cause the sort
of nationwide panic that helped Trump win the 2016 election and helped
the GOP expand its Senate majority in the midterms.
When white extremists kill, politicians do not demand that they be
racially profiled. They do not call for bans on white people coming to
the United States. They do not insist that white people’s freedom of
movement be restricted, their houses of worship be surveilled, their
leaders be banned from holding public office, or their neighborhoods be
“secured” and occupied by armed agents of the state. And they do not
demand that taxpayers foot the bill for a massive, symbolic monument
that will register America’s official disdain for white people in
perpetuity.
------
Wow... it is as if their description of such bigotry was written for you!
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
------
The threat from right-wing terrorism in the United States—and
Europe—appears to be rising. Of particular concern are white
supremacists and anti-government extremists, such as militia groups and
so-called sovereign citizens interested in plotting attacks against
government, racial, religious, and political targets in the United
States. The October 27, 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue shooting by Robert
Bowers, and the arrest a day earlier of Cesar Sayoc who sent pipe bombs
to prominent Democrats, appear to be the most recent manifestations of
this trend. Both perpetrators were far-right extremists. Although
violent left-wing groups and individuals also present a threat,
far-right-networks appear to be better armed and larger. There also is a
continuing threat from extremists inspired by the Islamic State and
al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from right-wing extremists since
2014 has been greater than attacks from Islamic extremists.
-----
I know... this is evidence and you hate that.
I
realize you like to parrot articles you've read but that idea is silly by
most any sensible metric (loss of life, loss of $$, etc.). Just because
Islamic extremists are much more patient and plan far more effectively
doesn't mean our homegrown ntiwits are even close to the damage they've
done. The homies are years, if not decades, behind.
Ah, you and your fellow non-Islamic right wing extremists are being
over-represented because you think other right wing extremists are more
patient and capable than you are.
You are ALWAYS the victim of your lack of abilities. Oy.
Cite, with statistics.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 19:04:40 UTC
Permalink
Snit
2019-08-03 19:15:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
I think we agree that those who generally speak of identifying with the
term are dangerous and violent and no matter their stated purpose or goal
are dangers to society. I do not think either of us back that in this area.
Do you extend this to other dangerous and violent groups? I do. Left or
right. Legal or illegal. I do not back the use of needless violence.
It is "interesting", however, that the only groups you ever bitch about
are "right-wing".
You mean the groups and the individuals running around killing people in
mass shootings and who have proved themselves to be the largest
terrorist threat to the US.
You mean I focus on that over a non-group that has engaged in, as far as
I have seen, ZERO murders (which does not suggest zero violence, and of
course I do not back the violence).
Yes, Carroll, I focus on murder and terrorism and the destruction of
rights and people demanding special entitlements over people who act
poorly in response to that. ABSOLUTELY!
But you do not. In fact you think it is somehow unfair to treat the two
"sides" here the same -- you want a special focus on those who are not
with you, on the extreme far right. You want special entitlements and
you play victim.
And you are damned right I am against that!
Recently,  you even repeated your erroneous statement
that right wing terrorists are the biggest terrorist threat we face.
https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie
-----
January 24, 2019
The fact is right-wing extremists collectively have been responsible for
more than 70 percent of the 427 extremist-related killings over the past
10 years, far outnumbering those committed by left-wing extremists or
domestic Islamist extremists — even with the sharp rise of
Islamist-extremist killings in the past five years.
-----
Notice where right wing terrorism and other such killings have gotten so
bad the stats for them have been split (Islamist extremists are a subset
of extreme right wingers such as yourself).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
-----
The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year,
and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In
fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the
majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include
the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews
for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an
“incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in
Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the
Jews were dead.”
From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent
of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for
Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists. In other words, most
terrorist attacks in the United States, and most deaths from terrorist
attacks, are caused by white extremists. But they do not cause the sort
of nationwide panic that helped Trump win the 2016 election and helped
the GOP expand its Senate majority in the midterms.
When white extremists kill, politicians do not demand that they be
racially profiled. They do not call for bans on white people coming to
the United States. They do not insist that white people’s freedom of
movement be restricted, their houses of worship be surveilled, their
leaders be banned from holding public office, or their neighborhoods be
“secured” and occupied by armed agents of the state. And they do not
demand that taxpayers foot the bill for a massive, symbolic monument
that will register America’s official disdain for white people in
perpetuity.
------
Wow... it is as if their description of such bigotry was written for you!
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
------
The threat from right-wing terrorism in the United States—and
Europe—appears to be rising. Of particular concern are white
supremacists and anti-government extremists, such as militia groups and
so-called sovereign citizens interested in plotting attacks against
government, racial, religious, and political targets in the United
States. The October 27, 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue shooting by Robert
Bowers, and the arrest a day earlier of Cesar Sayoc who sent pipe bombs
to prominent Democrats, appear to be the most recent manifestations of
this trend. Both perpetrators were far-right extremists. Although
violent left-wing groups and individuals also present a threat,
far-right-networks appear to be better armed and larger. There also is a
continuing threat from extremists inspired by the Islamic State and
al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from right-wing extremists since
2014 has been greater than attacks from Islamic extremists.
-----
I know... this is evidence and you hate that.
I
realize you like to parrot articles you've read but that idea is silly by
most any sensible metric (loss of life, loss of $$, etc.). Just because
Islamic extremists are much more patient and plan far more effectively
doesn't mean our homegrown ntiwits are even close to the damage they've
done. The homies are years, if not decades, behind.
Ah, you and your fellow non-Islamic right wing extremists are being
over-represented because you think other right wing extremists are more
patient and capable than you are.
You are ALWAYS the victim of your lack of abilities. Oy.
Carroll snipped and ran from this, and then talked about 9-11 being
"over the past 10 years".

Wow... Carroll has lost it. Anyway, his white flag is accepted.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 20:01:12 UTC
Permalink
On 2019-08-03, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
Carroll snipped and ran from this, and then talked about 9-11 being
"over the past 10 years"
I'm in reference to the statement you made the other day, that had not 10
year limit on it.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:47:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
I think we agree that those who generally speak of identifying with the
term are dangerous and violent and no matter their stated purpose or goal
are dangers to society. I do not think either of us back that in this area.
Do you extend this to other dangerous and violent groups? I do. Left or
right. Legal or illegal. I do not back the use of needless violence.
It is "interesting", however, that the only groups you ever bitch about
are "right-wing".
You mean the groups and the individuals running around killing people in
mass shootings and who have proved themselves to be the largest
terrorist threat to the US.
You mean I focus on that over a non-group that has engaged in, as far as
I have seen, ZERO murders (which does not suggest zero violence, and of
course I do not back the violence).
Yes, Carroll, I focus on murder and terrorism and the destruction of
rights and people demanding special entitlements over people who act
poorly in response to that. ABSOLUTELY!
But you do not. In fact you think it is somehow unfair to treat the two
"sides" here the same -- you want a special focus on those who are not
with you, on the extreme far right. You want special entitlements and
you play victim.
And you are damned right I am against that!
Recently,  you even repeated your erroneous statement
that right wing terrorists are the biggest terrorist threat we face.
https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie
-----
January 24, 2019
The fact is right-wing extremists collectively have been responsible for
more than 70 percent of the 427 extremist-related killings over the past
10 years, far outnumbering those committed by left-wing extremists or
domestic Islamist extremists — even with the sharp rise of
Islamist-extremist killings in the past five years.
-----
Notice where right wing terrorism and other such killings have gotten so
bad the stats for them have been split (Islamist extremists are a subset
of extreme right wingers such as yourself).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
-----
The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year,
and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In
fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the
majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include
the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed Jews
for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an
“incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in
Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the
Jews were dead.”
From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent
of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for
Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists. In other words, most
terrorist attacks in the United States, and most deaths from terrorist
attacks, are caused by white extremists. But they do not cause the sort
of nationwide panic that helped Trump win the 2016 election and helped
the GOP expand its Senate majority in the midterms.
When white extremists kill, politicians do not demand that they be
racially profiled. They do not call for bans on white people coming to
the United States. They do not insist that white people’s freedom of
movement be restricted, their houses of worship be surveilled, their
leaders be banned from holding public office, or their neighborhoods be
“secured” and occupied by armed agents of the state. And they do not
demand that taxpayers foot the bill for a massive, symbolic monument
that will register America’s official disdain for white people in
perpetuity.
------
Wow... it is as if their description of such bigotry was written for you!
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
------
The threat from right-wing terrorism in the United States—and
Europe—appears to be rising. Of particular concern are white
supremacists and anti-government extremists, such as militia groups and
so-called sovereign citizens interested in plotting attacks against
government, racial, religious, and political targets in the United
States. The October 27, 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue shooting by Robert
Bowers, and the arrest a day earlier of Cesar Sayoc who sent pipe bombs
to prominent Democrats, appear to be the most recent manifestations of
this trend. Both perpetrators were far-right extremists. Although
violent left-wing groups and individuals also present a threat,
far-right-networks appear to be better armed and larger. There also is a
continuing threat from extremists inspired by the Islamic State and
al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from right-wing extremists since
2014 has been greater than attacks from Islamic extremists.
-----
I know... this is evidence and you hate that.
I
realize you like to parrot articles you've read but that idea is silly by
most any sensible metric (loss of life, loss of $$, etc.). Just because
Islamic extremists are much more patient and plan far more effectively
doesn't mean our homegrown ntiwits are even close to the damage they've
done. The homies are years, if not decades, behind.
Ah, you and your fellow non-Islamic right wing extremists are being
over-represented because you think other right wing extremists are more
patient and capable than you are.
You are ALWAYS the victim of your lack of abilities. Oy.
Carroll snipped and ran from this, and then talked about 9-11 being
"over the past 10 years".
Wow... Carroll has lost it. Anyway, his white flag is accepted.
How do we know he said that since you snipped it?

You are dishonest.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:35:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
I think we agree that those who generally speak of identifying with the
term are dangerous and violent and no matter their stated purpose or goal
are dangers to society. I do not think either of us back that in this area.
Do you extend this to other dangerous and violent groups? I do. Left or
right. Legal or illegal. I do not back the use of needless violence.
 >>
It is "interesting", however, that the only groups you ever bitch about
are "right-wing".
You mean the groups and the individuals running around killing people
in mass shootings and who have proved themselves to be the largest
terrorist threat to the US.
You mean I focus on that over a non-group that has engaged in, as far
as I have seen, ZERO murders (which does not suggest zero violence,
and of course I do not back the violence).
Yes, Carroll, I focus on murder and terrorism and the destruction of
rights and people demanding special entitlements over people who act
poorly in response to that. ABSOLUTELY!
But you do not. In fact you think it is somehow unfair to treat the
two "sides" here the same -- you want a special focus on those who are
not with you, on the extreme far right. You want special entitlements
and you play victim.
And you are damned right I am against that!
Recently,  you even repeated your erroneous statement
that right wing terrorists are the biggest terrorist threat we face.
https://www.adl.org/news/op-ed/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie
-----
January 24, 2019
The fact is right-wing extremists collectively have been responsible
for more than 70 percent of the 427 extremist-related killings over
the past 10 years, far outnumbering those committed by left-wing
extremists or domestic Islamist extremists — even with the sharp rise
of Islamist-extremist killings in the past five years.
-----
Notice where right wing terrorism and other such killings have gotten
so bad the stats for them have been split (Islamist extremists are a
subset of extreme right wingers such as yourself).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
-----
The number of fatalities is 35 percent higher than the previous year,
and it marks the fourth-deadliest year for such attacks since 1970. In
fact, according to the ADL, white supremacists are responsible for the
majority of such attacks “almost every year.” The 2018 attacks include
the one at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue by a man who blamed
Jews for the migrant caravan, the mass shooting at a yoga studio by an
“incel” obsessed with interracial dating, and the school massacre in
Parkland, Florida, carried out by a student who wished that “all the
Jews were dead.”
 From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73
percent of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23
percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists. In other
words, most terrorist attacks in the United States, and most deaths
from terrorist attacks, are caused by white extremists. But they do
not cause the sort of nationwide panic that helped Trump win the 2016
election and helped the GOP expand its Senate majority in the midterms.
When white extremists kill, politicians do not demand that they be
racially profiled. They do not call for bans on white people coming to
the United States. They do not insist that white people’s freedom of
movement be restricted, their houses of worship be surveilled, their
leaders be banned from holding public office, or their neighborhoods
be “secured” and occupied by armed agents of the state. And they do
not demand that taxpayers foot the bill for a massive, symbolic
monument that will register America’s official disdain for white
people in perpetuity.
------
Wow... it is as if their description of such bigotry was written for you!
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
------
The threat from right-wing terrorism in the United States—and
Europe—appears to be rising. Of particular concern are white
supremacists and anti-government extremists, such as militia groups
and so-called sovereign citizens interested in plotting attacks
against government, racial, religious, and political targets in the
United States. The October 27, 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue shooting by
Robert Bowers, and the arrest a day earlier of Cesar Sayoc who sent
pipe bombs to prominent Democrats, appear to be the most recent
manifestations of this trend. Both perpetrators were far-right
extremists. Although violent left-wing groups and individuals also
present a threat, far-right-networks appear to be better armed and
larger. There also is a continuing threat from extremists inspired by
the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from
right-wing extremists since 2014 has been greater than attacks from
Islamic extremists.
-----
I know... this is evidence and you hate that.
I
realize you like to parrot articles you've read but that idea is silly by
most any sensible metric (loss of life, loss of $$, etc.). Just because
Islamic extremists are much more patient and plan far more effectively
doesn't mean our homegrown ntiwits are even close to the damage they've
done. The homies are years, if not decades, behind.
Ah, you and your fellow non-Islamic right wing extremists are being
over-represented because you think other right wing extremists are
more patient and capable than you are.
You are ALWAYS the victim of your lack of abilities. Oy.
Carroll snipped and ran from this, and then talked about 9-11 being
"over the past 10 years".
Wow... Carroll has lost it. Anyway, his white flag is accepted.
Carroll snipped and ran. Of course.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:44:28 UTC
Permalink
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
Bullshit, If you dump the electoral then shithole states like California
and NY could decide who is president instead of all of America.
The PEOPLE would decide.

You do not like the idea of equal rights to representation. Sure. You
like a system more akin to affirmative action.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:32:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
Bullshit, If you dump the electoral then shithole states like California
and NY could decide who is president instead of all of America.
The PEOPLE would decide.
You do not like the idea of equal rights to representation. Sure. You
like a system more akin to affirmative action.
Are you really this stupid? So a state that is mostly conservative will
not have a say because the population of shithole liberal California
could elect a president?
Snit
2019-08-03 19:07:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
Bullshit, If you dump the electoral then shithole states like California
and NY could decide who is president instead of all of America.
The PEOPLE would decide.
You do not like the idea of equal rights to representation. Sure. You
like a system more akin to affirmative action.
Are you really this stupid? So a state that is mostly conservative will
not have a say because the population of shithole liberal California
could elect a president?
Is this your best effort to back the system akin to affirmative action
for people living in less populated states? Do you have anything better
to push your denouncement of equal rights in terms of representation?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:44:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
....
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.
Cool. So no more electoral college. Or really, no more Senate (not that
this is ever going to happen, but good to see you back that).
Bullshit, If you dump the electoral then shithole states like California
and NY could decide who is president instead of all of America.
The PEOPLE would decide.
You do not like the idea of equal rights to representation. Sure. You
like a system more akin to affirmative action.
Are you really this stupid? So a state that is mostly conservative will
not have a say because the population of shithole liberal California
could elect a president?
Is this your best effort to back the system akin to affirmative action
for people living in less populated states? Do you have anything better
to push your denouncement of equal rights in terms of representation?
It says what it says, and unlike you libtards I don't have to twist
words around to fit my agenda. When you allow someone to be elected
president on the votes of 2 liberal states, then the system is broken.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:48:20 UTC
Permalink
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?

https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/

Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.

They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:34:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
Snit
2019-08-03 19:06:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.

Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.

So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:40:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.
Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.
So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
There are not as many on welfare as you think. California has the south
topped.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 21:11:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.
Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.
So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
There are not as many on welfare as you think. California has the south
topped.
The people calling themselves "liberals", who make these arguments, view
counties (or even states) as "people". Once you look at actual people
you see what you're alluding to come into play (intergovernmental
spending per capita). The irony is these so called "liberals" will claim
that the Republicans are the 'party of the rich' while simultaneously
claiming Republicans are getting more intergovernmental grants. Snit
likes to put up 'left wing' sources (of which there are many, almost all
are) and discount any source he didn't put up (it's right wing so
it must be wrong!). You may have missed it but he's always the arbiter
of every argument he's in.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:15:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.
Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.
So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
There are not as many on welfare as you think. California has the south
topped.
The people calling themselves "liberals", who make these arguments, view
counties (or even states) as "people".
Here you are speaking for others. You are again waving your white flag
and insisting you cannot refute ideas so you get to make up ideas to
attribute them to others.

But as is your norm you have things exactly backward. Look at the
electoral college debate. On one side you have liberals who say PEOPLE
should have equal rights, and on the other side you have conservatives
saying it is not about people but about states... they should have equal
rights.

You got things not just wrong, but the opposite of what the evidence shows.
Post by Steve Carroll
Once you look at actual people
you see what you're alluding to come into play (intergovernmental
spending per capita). The irony is these so called "liberals" will claim
that the Republicans are the 'party of the rich' while simultaneously
claiming Republicans are getting more intergovernmental grants.
The Republicans are the party of the rich AND the party of the poorly
educated white males. Those are their major constituencies.
Post by Steve Carroll
Snit
likes to put up 'left wing' sources (of which there are many, almost all
are)
You claim to not be far right but you see most sources, even fact
checkers and mainstream news, as "left wing". Do you realize how you
just shot yourself in the foot again?
Post by Steve Carroll
and discount any source he didn't put up (it's right wing so
it must be wrong!).
This is you speaking FOR me (or, really, the little "Snit" you have
living rent free in your head). Remember, your claims about me are not
about ME, they are about you.
Post by Steve Carroll
You may have missed it but he's always the arbiter
of every argument he's in.
As opposed to you who sees... who as? Face it, your real complaint is I
use logic and reason and evidence, and based on THOSE criteria you know
you cannot defend your views.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 22:24:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.
Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.
So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
There are not as many on welfare as you think. California has the south
topped.
The people calling themselves "liberals", who make these arguments, view
counties (or even states) as "people".
Here you are speaking for others.
You spoke for you, once again, you didn't understand the message but
it's yours (well, you parroted it from left wing sources).
Post by Snit
You are again waving your white flag
Don't you mean 'surrender flag', racist?
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Once you look at actual people
you see what you're alluding to come into play (intergovernmental
spending per capita). The irony is these so called "liberals" will claim
that the Republicans are the 'party of the rich' while simultaneously
claiming Republicans are getting more intergovernmental grants.
The Republicans are the party of the rich AND the party of the poorly
educated white males. Those are their major constituencies.
Wrong. Follow the money, sonny.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Snit
likes to put up 'left wing' sources (of which there are many, almost all
are)
You claim to not be far right but you see most sources
LOL! Virtually all of the main stream media is seen as left by even the
left leaning 'fact checker' sites (as I proved in that post to "chrisv"
awhile back).
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
and discount any source he didn't put up (it's right wing so
it must be wrong!).
This is you speaking FOR me
Right... like no one has ever seen you do this <eyeroll>.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
You may have missed it but he's always the arbiter
of every argument he's in.
As opposed to you who
... will listen to reason and logic (which is the reason no one listens
to you).
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:37:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
The Republicans are the party of the rich AND the party of the poorly
educated white males. Those are their major constituencies.
The poor liberals, all living in shacks and eating beans.

You moron.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/04/congress-pay-raise-1353195
Snit
2019-08-03 23:28:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.
Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.
So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
There are not as many on welfare as you think. California has the south
topped.
The people calling themselves "liberals", who make these arguments, view
counties (or even states) as "people".
Here you are speaking for others. You are again waving your white flag
and insisting you cannot refute ideas so you get to make up ideas to
attribute them to others.
But as is your norm you have things exactly backward. Look at the
electoral college debate. On one side you have liberals who say PEOPLE
should have equal rights, and on the other side you have conservatives
saying it is not about people but about states... they should have equal
rights.
You got things not just wrong, but the opposite of what the evidence shows.
Post by Steve Carroll
Once you look at actual people
you see what you're alluding to come into play (intergovernmental
spending per capita). The irony is these so called "liberals" will claim
that the Republicans are the 'party of the rich' while simultaneously
claiming Republicans are getting more intergovernmental grants.
The Republicans are the party of the rich AND the party of the poorly
educated white males. Those are their major constituencies.
Post by Steve Carroll
Snit
likes to put up 'left wing' sources (of which there are many, almost all
are)
You claim to not be far right but you see most sources, even fact
checkers and mainstream news, as "left wing". Do you realize how you
just shot yourself in the foot again?
Post by Steve Carroll
and discount any source he didn't put up (it's right wing so
it must be wrong!).
This is you speaking FOR me (or, really, the little "Snit" you have
living rent free in your head). Remember, your claims about me are not
about ME, they are about you.
Post by Steve Carroll
You may have missed it but he's always the arbiter
of every argument he's in.
As opposed to you who sees... who as? Face it, your real complaint is I
use logic and reason and evidence, and based on THOSE criteria you know
you cannot defend your views.
Carroll ran again.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 23:35:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep
using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
I lived down south, they work harder than you ever have.
Yet the South is very, very poor. You back my noting that there is a
huge break between productivity and financial gain.
Welcome to understanding a part of the problem.
So what do you think we can we do to help fix that break and get the
south off of welfare given to them mostly by the blue states?
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
The problem is you are not giving the poor and homeless anything, you
would rather give it to fence jumpers to buy votes.
The southern states, heavily right wing, are much bigger takers than the
immigrants you cry about. So what do you propose to do to end the rigged
economy that keeps those poor southerners from taking so much welfare
(mostly from the blue states)?
There are not as many on welfare as you think. California has the south
topped.
The people calling themselves "liberals", who make these arguments, view
counties (or even states) as "people".
Here you are speaking for others. You are again waving your white flag
and insisting you cannot refute ideas so you get to make up ideas to
attribute them to others.
But as is your norm you have things exactly backward. Look at the
electoral college debate. On one side you have liberals who say PEOPLE
should have equal rights, and on the other side you have conservatives
saying it is not about people but about states... they should have equal
rights.
You got things not just wrong, but the opposite of what the evidence shows.
Post by Steve Carroll
Once you look at actual people
you see what you're alluding to come into play (intergovernmental
spending per capita). The irony is these so called "liberals" will cleim
that the Republicans are the 'party of the rich' while simultaneously
claiming Republicans are getting more intergovernmental grants.
The Republicans are the party of the rich AND the party of the poorly
educated white males. Those are their major constituencies.
Post by Steve Carroll
Snit
likes to put up 'left wing' sources (of which there are many, almost all
are)
You claim to not be far right but you see most sources, even fact
checkers and mainstream news, as "left wing". Do you realize how you
just shot yourself in the foot again?
Post by Steve Carroll
and discount any source he didn't put up (it's right wing so
it must be wrong!).
This is you speaking FOR me (or, really, the little "Snit" you have
living rent free in your head). Remember, your claims about me are not
about ME, they are about you.
Post by Steve Carroll
You may have missed it but he's always the arbiter
of every argument he's in.
As opposed to you who sees... who as? Face it, your real complaint is I
use logic and reason and evidence, and based on THOSE criteria you know
you cannot defend your views.
Carroll ran again.
Blah... blah.

On an earlier point of yours, that I'm "far right", in fairness to you,
I have an admission to make, I haven't taken one of those 'political
leaning' tests in almost 2 years. At that time there were no questions
like...

"In a post birth scenario where your wife gives the thumbs down, are you
man enough to axe the kid's head or will she have to do it?"

... so it's entirely possible you have a point.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 19:06:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
Snit
2019-08-03 19:12:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow. In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?

My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.

I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 20:09:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
If you can have your own definition of racism, why can't "others"?
Snit
2019-08-03 21:36:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
ou think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative. Wow. In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern conservative states to take personal responsibility?
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard. I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced to take from the federal government because of the break between hard work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from liberal states.
Carroll ran from the above.
Post by Steve Carroll
If you can have your own definition of racism, why can't "others"?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:42:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 21:23:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).

(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
Snit
2019-08-03 22:19:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
Lack of resources, which you show below you get. Heck, the schools in my
town, and many others, cannot afford text books.

Add to that the ever increasing curriculum with little taken out, the
over-use of testing which harms education, the overcrowding of schools,
the fact many of the kids are hungry or homeless or at best live in
homes where both parents have to work to make ends meet so they get
little attention, etc. and you have a disaster on your hands.
Post by Steve Carroll
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
Can you give examples of this "indoctrination"? Some of it that I see:

* Sex ed classes which are not comprehensive and for which
non-heterosexual topics are not allowed.

* History classes where they teach the wonders of what white Christians
have done and do little to teach of what people of other colors and
other religions have done. This has improved some but they still talk
about Columbus "discovering" America, and speak of the people who lived
here as "savages" without teaching how Columbus spoke of how peaceful
they were and how easy to "subjugate" they would be.

What other examples though? Maybe we have areas of agreement.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:38:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Lack of resources, which you show below you get. Heck, the schools in my
town, and many others, cannot afford text books.
Add to that the ever increasing curriculum with little taken out, the
over-use of testing which harms education, the overcrowding of schools,
the fact many of the kids are hungry or homeless or at best live in
homes where both parents have to work to make ends meet so they get
little attention, etc. and you have a disaster on your hands.
So you're saying Prescott is a shithole?
%
2019-08-03 22:44:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Lack of resources, which you show below you get. Heck, the schools in my
town, and many others, cannot afford text books.
Add to that the ever increasing curriculum with little taken out, the
over-use of testing which harms education, the overcrowding of schools,
the fact many of the kids are hungry or homeless or at best live in
homes where both parents have to work to make ends meet so they get
little attention, etc. and you have a disaster on your hands.
So you're saying Prescott is a shithole?
the whole world is a shithole , nads told me
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 22:58:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
Lack of resources,
As in: crap teaching and low expectations...

"Across the U.S., 40% of students who enroll in college (including 66%
of black students and 53% of Latinx students) end up having to take a
remedial course, where they re-learn skills they were supposed to have
mastered in high school."

<https://www.fastcompany.com/90252729/kids-arent-failing-school-school-is-failing-kids>
Post by Snit
which you show below you get. Heck, the schools in my
town, and many others, cannot afford text books.
Then how do these kids 'pass', only to hit college and...

"Across the U.S., 40% of students who enroll in college (including 66%
of black students and 53% of Latinx students) end up having to take a
remedial course, where they re-learn skills they were supposed to have
mastered in high school."

40%! H O L Y F * C K!

Massive failure there... and these are the one who try for college!
Post by Snit
Add to that the ever increasing curriculum with little taken out, the
over-use of testing which harms education, the overcrowding of schools,
the fact many of the kids are hungry or homeless or at best live in
homes where both parents have to work to make ends meet so they get
little attention, etc. and you have a disaster on your hands.
So what? Teachers are paid to do a job, they're clearly not doing it!
Violent crime is *way* down (like cut in half) since the 90s and this is
with cops getting less and less respect (which is affecting hiring).
Everybody has crap they can complain about but at the end of the day,
DO. YOUR. JOB. Why can't kids read, yet, they get passed through the
system?! How can you so casually excuse stuff like that? The number of
families that lack 'net access is ~5 million (the ones that don't have
it can 'buddy up' with a friend) so why do 40% of college kids have
issues with things that could undoubtedly be solved by putting material
on the 'net (textbooks aren't *required* to learn how to read). Teachers
can't figure out how to solve this? WTF?

"One excuse that educators have long offered to explain poor reading
performance is poverty. In Bethlehem, a small city in Eastern
Pennsylvania that was once a booming steel town, there are plenty of
poor families. But there are fancy homes in Bethlehem, too, and when
Silva examined the reading scores he saw that many students at the
wealthier schools weren't reading very well either."

<https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/677722959/why-millions-of-kids-cant-read-and-what-better-teaching-can-do-about-it>
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 23:06:56 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
Lack of resources,
As in: crap teaching and low expectations...
"Across the U.S., 40% of students who enroll in college (including 66%
of black students and 53% of Latinx students) end up having to take a
remedial course, where they re-learn skills they were supposed to have
mastered in high school."
These are the same people for whom the Democrats want to make
college a free ride at taxpayer expense. People who didn't care
enough to apply themselves when their education WAS free.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 23:12:25 UTC
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Post by Just Wondering
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
Lack of resources,
As in: crap teaching and low expectations...
"Across the U.S., 40% of students who enroll in college (including 66%
of black students and 53% of Latinx students) end up having to take a
remedial course, where they re-learn skills they were supposed to have
mastered in high school."
These are the same people for whom the Democrats want to make
college a free ride at taxpayer expense. People who didn't care
enough to apply themselves when their education WAS free.
Because they have a 'plan' <eyeroll>.
Snit
2019-08-03 23:38:25 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
Lack of resources, which you show below you get. Heck, the schools in my
town, and many others, cannot afford text books.
Add to that the ever increasing curriculum with little taken out, the
over-use of testing which harms education, the overcrowding of schools,
the fact many of the kids are hungry or homeless or at best live in
homes where both parents have to work to make ends meet so they get
little attention, etc. and you have a disaster on your hands.
Carroll ran from this. He also did similar to what he used to do when he
insisted teaching was not a "real job" -- attacked the teachers even
though he shows no understanding of what goes on in schools or the
challenges they face.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
* Sex ed classes which are not comprehensive and for which
non-heterosexual topics are not allowed.
* History classes where they teach the wonders of what white Christians
have done and do little to teach of what people of other colors and
other religions have done. This has improved some but they still talk
about Columbus "discovering" America, and speak of the people who lived
here as "savages" without teaching how Columbus spoke of how peaceful
they were and how easy to "subjugate" they would be.
What other examples though? Maybe we have areas of agreement.
Carroll had NO other examples. Of course. In fact he snipped the question.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:23:21 UTC
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In article <qi4u0j$aih$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
If he used to teach then that's is why they are failing.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:29:27 UTC
Permalink
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
If he used to teach then that's is why they are failing.
Without going into details, and knowing you will lie anyway, without
going into details every class I have had that has been tracked has
shown my students doing FAR better than average. Upward Bound does a LOT
of that type of tracking, and even in public / charter schools they do
year-over-year testing my students got significantly more than 1 year's
worth of advancement in my classes.

There is ONE exception: when was teaching math, science, English
(co-teaching), yearbook / newspaper, and a computer class AND handling
all the tech of the school I did a poor job with the math class. I asked
for someone to take it over because I knew I was over-worked and not
doing the students justice there.

But you will just use that to troll me. Oh well.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:39:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
If he used to teach then that's is why they are failing.
Without going into details, and knowing you will lie anyway, without
going into details every class I have had that has been tracked has
shown my students doing FAR better than average. Upward Bound does a LOT
of that type of tracking, and even in public / charter schools they do
year-over-year testing my students got significantly more than 1 year's
worth of advancement in my classes.
There is ONE exception: when was teaching math, science, English
(co-teaching), yearbook / newspaper, and a computer class AND handling
all the tech of the school I did a poor job with the math class. I asked
for someone to take it over because I knew I was over-worked and not
doing the students justice there.
But you will just use that to troll me. Oh well.
I knew that would get your tail feathers up.
Snit
2019-08-03 23:31:55 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
If he used to teach then that's is why they are failing.
Without going into details, and knowing you will lie anyway, without
going into details every class I have had that has been tracked has
shown my students doing FAR better than average. Upward Bound does a LOT
of that type of tracking, and even in public / charter schools they do
year-over-year testing my students got significantly more than 1 year's
worth of advancement in my classes.
There is ONE exception: when was teaching math, science, English
(co-teaching), yearbook / newspaper, and a computer class AND handling
all the tech of the school I did a poor job with the math class. I asked
for someone to take it over because I knew I was over-worked and not
doing the students justice there.
But you will just use that to troll me. Oh well.
I knew that would get your tail feathers up.
You made a false claim just to get attention. Sure. And I bit. Not
denying it.

But keep in mind how angry you are to feel the need to lash out...
meanwhile I speak of the pride I have in my work. And I have good reason
to be proud -- my students do VERY well in pretty much every measure I
have ever seen.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 23:09:56 UTC
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Post by Snit
says...
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
If he used to teach then that's is why they are failing.
Without going into details, and knowing you will lie anyway, without
going into details every class I have had that has been tracked has
shown my students doing FAR better than average.
Average now is crap... it's getting passed with abysmal math/reading
skills... and it's not like AZ is even up with the rest of the nation:

<https://www.kyma.com/news/new-report-places-arizona-s-school-system-47th-in-the-nation/775549924>
Snit
2019-08-03 23:39:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
says...
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Or maybe the issue is closer to home (Snit's home). He used to be a
"teacher" so maybe he can explain why that profession is failing our
nation's children to the extent they are (you know, given how "liberal
the teaching profession is).
(cue up cries of 'not enough money' when too many kids can't even do
basic things like reading or math. Maybe too much is spent on
indoctrination?)
If he used to teach then that's is why they are failing.
Without going into details, and knowing you will lie anyway, without
going into details every class I have had that has been tracked has
shown my students doing FAR better than average.
Average now is crap... it's getting passed with abysmal math/reading
<https://www.kyma.com/news/new-report-places-arizona-s-school-system-47th-in-the-nation/775549924>
Public education is doing very poorly -- we have right wingers who are
against the very concept of education and science and reason and the use
of fact checking. You, for example.

Yes, we as a country are failing our kids.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:51:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
I noted the state was red. He claimed that was racist. He absolutely
said it... but you cannot follow a conversation to save your life, and
you lie to get attention nonstop.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
The point went over your head. That is what points do... you have almost
no ability to understand what you read.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:26:03 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
No it's because they live like pigs.
If so, which are the worst?
https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/
Generally the poor, conservative, South. True for Obesity, Diabetes,
Hypertension, lack of Physical Inactivity, and more.
They get a LOT of help from the blue states. Maybe we should stop
sending the them government assistance... after all we know how much you
right wingers hate it when the poor get assistance from others.
I don't care what "color" the state is, racist, I care about the lack of
personal responsibility... *that* is our 'health crisis'.
You think it is "racist" to note that the south is mostly conservative.
Wow.
He didn't say that, you did.
I noted the state was red. He claimed that was racist. He absolutely
said it... but you cannot follow a conversation to save your life, and
you lie to get attention nonstop.
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
In any case, what do you think can be done to get the southern
conservative states to take personal responsibility?
They just want to be left alone.
Post by Snit
My view: in many cases the people there do. I think they work very hard.
I think they are as productive as anyone else would be in the situation
they are. But they are a part of a rigged economy where they are forced
to take from the federal government because of the break between hard
work and financial gain.
I think conservatives could be successful if they were not being kept
down by conservative policies which lead to them taking so much from
liberal states.
I am a conservative and I am successful. What's your point?
Snit snipped and ran, Snit is dishonest.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:51:15 UTC
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On 8/3/19 7:36 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
...
Why are you asking me to help you find message IDs so you can prove to
yourself what you said as you debate yourself?
I really do not care what lies of yours you believe or not.
Seriously this is one of your more idiotic games.
LOL! The only game I'm playing is pointing out your obvious lie and all
the spinning you're doing to cover it. One part of the game is where I
show your new usenet 'friends' (that you're crosstrolling to COLA with)
how "Honest and Honorable" you are. Granted, it's foolish... but fun...
for me ;)
You are standing on a debate state punching yourself in the face
screaming "Stop punching me! Stop punching me!"

Can you decide which side of the argument you are even on? You keep
arguing with yourself and then blaming me. And why? Because I busted you
with this insane lie:

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Carroll, claimed his "The Old Neighborhood Restaurant" website was
always made with WordPress. It was trivial to show Carroll lied:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
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<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

Carroll responds <qhpgof$3jh$***@dont-email.me>:
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If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----

Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 18:52:48 UTC
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Post by Snit
...
Why are you asking me to help you find message IDs so you can prove to
yourself what you said as you debate yourself?
I really do not care what lies of yours you believe or not.
Seriously this is one of your more idiotic games.
LOL! The only game I'm playing is pointing out your obvious lie and all
the spinning you're doing to cover it. One part of the game is where I
show your new usenet 'friends' (that you're crosstrolling to COLA with)
how "Honest and Honorable" you are. Granted, it's foolish... but fun...
for me ;)
You are standing on a debate state
What's a "debate state"? Are you in a medicated state... again? ;)

(Hey, if you're not gonna be "charitable" to "others"...)
Snit
2019-08-03 19:02:45 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
...
Why are you asking me to help you find message IDs so you can prove to
yourself what you said as you debate yourself?
I really do not care what lies of yours you believe or not.
Seriously this is one of your more idiotic games.
LOL! The only game I'm playing is pointing out your obvious lie and all
the spinning you're doing to cover it. One part of the game is where I
show your new usenet 'friends' (that you're crosstrolling to COLA with)
how "Honest and Honorable" you are. Granted, it's foolish... but fun...
for me ;)
You are standing on a debate stage punching yourself in the face
screaming "Stop punching me! Stop punching me!"

Can you decide which side of the argument you are even on? You keep
arguing with yourself and then blaming me. And why? Because I busted you
with this insane lie:

--------------------------------------------------------
Carroll, claimed his "The Old Neighborhood Restaurant" website was
always made with WordPress. It was trivial to show Carroll lied:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

Carroll responds <qhpgof$3jh$***@dont-email.me>:
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----

Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
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Sorry my typo got you so confused... I fixed it, above.
Post by Steve Carroll
What's a "debate state"? Are you in a medicated state... again? ;)
(Hey, if you're not gonna be "charitable" to "others"...)
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:58:01 UTC
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https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
Ya think? Americans eat crap, don't exercise and smoke/drink/party their
asses off.
And the red states, esp. in the south, are the worst:

https://www.stateofobesity.org/data/

Worst stats on Adult Obesity, Childhood Obesity, Diabetes, Hypertension,
and (lack of) Physical Inactivity.
Smoking is the leading cause of 'preventable' death.
Not sure that is still correct, but that is worse in the same areas:

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Conservatives really drag this country down in a lot of ways.
Oddly,
the poor (lowest 20%) smoke at a much higher rate than other groups.
When you have little hope and know that no matter how hard you work you
are not likely to get ahead many people turn to self destructive behavior.

And then they turn to the blue states to help them out... getting
massive federal assistance.
Were they to take that money and buy some actual food they'd get more
for the money (the thing Snit keeps arguing about). And if they were to
exercise (all people should) they'd get even more (years of life). Heart
monitor waiting list too long? Blame everything but the activity of the
people on the list! Sure, that makes sense <eyeroll>.
Oh, wait, you meant dragging their fat, tired, out of shape asses to a
Dr.s office so he can tell them this stuff and they'll ignore it until
that expensive hospital trip comes up. Nevermind.
You do not understand how extreme poverty, often tied to the bigotry of
people like yourself, impacts the choices people make:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/your-brain-on-poverty-why-poor-people-seem-to-make-bad-decisions/281780/
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Your Brain on Poverty: Why Poor People Seem to Make Bad Decisions

In August, Science published a landmark study concluding that poverty,
itself, hurts our ability to make decisions about school, finances, and
life, imposing a mental burden similar to losing 13 IQ points.

It was widely seen as a counter-argument to claims that poor people are
"to blame" for bad decisions and a rebuke to policies that withhold
money from the poorest families unless they behave in a certain way.
After all, if being poor leads to bad decision-making (as opposed to the
other way around), then giving cash should alleviate the cognitive
burdens of poverty, all on its own.
...
But rational self-control in the real world, Kable says, isn't so
black-and-white. Perhaps you have enough patience to wait an hour for a
train, or to lose one pound each week with exercise and dieting. That
sounds responsible. But what happens if the train isn't there in 90
minutes? If you never lose weight and you're making yourself miserable
with your diet? Maybe you should give up! "In this situation, giving up
can be a natural — indeed, a rational — response to a time frame that
wasn’t properly framed to begin with," Maria Konnikova summed it up for
the Times.

As Andrew Golis points out, this might suggest something even deeper
than the idea that poverty's stress interferes with our ability to make
good decisions. The inescapability of poverty weighs so heavily on the
author that s/he abandons long-term planning entirely, because the
short-term needs are so great and the long-term gains so implausible.
The train is just not coming. What if the psychology of poverty, which
can appear so irrational to those not in poverty, is actually "the most
rational response to a world of chaos and unpredictable outcomes," he wrote.

None of this is an argument against poorer families trying to save or
plan for the long-term. It's an argument for context. As Eldar Shafir,
the author of the Science study, told The Atlantic Cities' Emily Badger:
“All the data shows it isn't about poor people, it’s about people who
happen to be in poverty. All the data suggests it is not the person,
it's the context they’re inhabiting.”
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 17:59:05 UTC
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*I* am talking about those cities, the Dem failures after promising the
moon. You're just loopy... this "Nads" character is pretty detached, too.
Reasonable person: People are having to choose between "mommy's
basement" and homelessness.
Nads: The solution is obvious, you fascist... let in as many people who
have less than a high school education and can't speak the language as
possible and pay for their existence.
Reasonable person: Wait a minute... how does that work? The jobs they
get will guarantee they'll be no better than the basement dwellers and
it will only take jobs away from them.
Nads: You ignorant scum, we raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour, this
will mean more people will spend and there will be more jobs!
Reasonable person: But that will just drive up *all* wages.
Nads: Exactly! And everyone will be rich! This is Utopia, you fool, line
up or start swimming.
Please to be posting the MID where Nadegda said any of this, ko0k?
The point is... reality isn't suspended simply because someone believe
it should be.
The point is you could not back your view nor refute that of others so
you lie and back lies.

And then you play victim.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:00:35 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other;
And nothing ever comes of it, right? No jobs are ever created, no gov't
contracts are ever doled out?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/
Are you arguing that no investor should ever get a return on their
investment?
Clearly NOT! And no reasonable person would think or suggest Kensi said,
suggested, hinted, or implied any such thing.

But you do. You know you cannot refute what has been said so you push
the most bizarre ideas with the implication she pushed them. You are
simply waving your white flag and lying.

...
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:01:45 UTC
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Carroll keeps running.
Running?
Yes. See above. I did not snip a single word. You did. And here is what
------------------------------------------------------
...
So point to *my* "claims" where I state I built a Go Daddy Website
Builder
site.
A site is generally known by its URL
Which has nothing to do with the claim you refuse to back.
It has everything to do with your idiotic game. Given how a site is
generally known by its URL or what business it is tied to or the like --
I am asking you to be clear and say if you mean the The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant site... no matter what tools were used to make it?
Do you mean the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site?
The demo I
built was local, Snit... don't forget, *you* proved it was local ;)
More of your semantic games: the Old Neighborhood Restaurant was
local to you in that it is near where you live, but as I prove above the
the Old Neighborhood Restaurant site was a live site and is archived by
the WayBackMachine.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
      -----
      <meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
      Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
      -----
      -----
      If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
      ----
You demanded *I* prove you made the site *you* insisted you made... LOL!
Should be easy if it happened. Right, Mr. Honesty and Honor?
You've had years now, what's the hangup?
Well?
I have no obligation to help you prove your claims to be true. LOL!
You do realize you are arguing against your own claims, right?
Carroll keeps running. If he was not such a bigoted asshole insisting
that race should be used as a factor in deciding who is "suspicious" I
might feel sorry for him.
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And below you ask me to prove YOUR claim about your site... demanding I
prove you did not lie about it when you showed a link to it and bragged
about how great it was.
You literally are arguing with yourself, Carroll... you HAVE to know
that, right?
   -----
   So now you're stuck proving that I had anything to do with
   the original site or that I ever met the owner or talked to
   him about building a WP site to replace the site he has
   that looks like you built it. LOL!
   -----
This is literally Carroll begging to have his own claims proved to be
correct. He is arguing with himself there.
Has to be one of your most hilarious trolling bits in a long time.
Carroll ran again. He is standing on stage, punching himself in the
face, and screaming "Stop hitting me! Stop hitting me!"
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:04:20 UTC
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Antifag is a facist organization.
Let me guess: also war is peace, ignorance is strength, and we were
always at war with Eastasia.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command" -- George Orwell in 1984, written
in 1948.

"Ans just remember what you're seeing and you're reading is not what's
happening" -- Donald Trump, 2018

They sincerely seem to be using 1984 as an instruction manual.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:05:21 UTC
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https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:39:31 UTC
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Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:45:53 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
I should make a Bingo game with right wing erroneous talking points. The
"Uses macroeconomic ideas to deal with macroeconomic issues" would
certainly have to be on there.

Is there a class you right wingers go to learn which fallacy to use to
try to change topics or otherwise avoid your complete failure to back
your ideas? Just seems weird you would have such an absurd echo-chamber
effect without putting a LOT of work into it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:35:09 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
I should make a Bingo game with right wing erroneous talking points. The
"Uses macroeconomic ideas to deal with macroeconomic issues" would
certainly have to be on there.
Your obsession is interesting.
Post by Snit
Is there a class you right wingers go to learn which fallacy to use to
try to change topics or otherwise avoid your complete failure to back
your ideas? Just seems weird you would have such an absurd echo-chamber
effect without putting a LOT of work into it.
No, they just need to get off their asses and get a job.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:40:25 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
I should make a Bingo game with right wing erroneous talking points. The
"Uses macroeconomic ideas to deal with macroeconomic issues" would
certainly have to be on there.
Your obsession is interesting.
Post by Snit
Is there a class you right wingers go to learn which fallacy to use to
try to change topics or otherwise avoid your complete failure to back
your ideas? Just seems weird you would have such an absurd echo-chamber
effect without putting a LOT of work into it.
No, they just need to get off their asses and get a job.
Most of the poor in this country have jobs... many multiple.

But you are still looking at microeconomics solutions to macroeconomic
problems.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 20:07:41 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
Snit has already essentially argued that if you're in the bottom 20%
it's OK to let your health go. I'd argue that your health is your most
important asset in any bracket. If you're feeling poorly you're not
likely to do what it takes to climb the ladder (common sense).
%
2019-08-03 20:09:20 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
Snit has already essentially argued that if you're in the bottom 20%
it's OK to let your health go. I'd argue that your health is your most
important asset in any bracket. If you're feeling poorly you're not
likely to do what it takes to climb the ladder (common sense).
i find your sense to be very un common
Snit
2019-08-03 22:04:13 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
Snit has already essentially argued that if you're in the bottom 20%
it's OK to let your health go. I'd argue that your health is your most
important asset in any bracket. If you're feeling poorly you're not
likely to do what it takes to climb the ladder (common sense).
i find your sense to be very un common
You found his sense! Wow... you are the first!
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:51:19 UTC
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In article <qi4pid$ft2$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
Snit has already essentially argued that if you're in the bottom 20%
it's OK to let your health go. I'd argue that your health is your most
important asset in any bracket. If you're feeling poorly you're not
likely to do what it takes to climb the ladder (common sense).
What has Snip done to help these people except to embarrass them on
usenet. I don't think they would want him for a spokesperson.
Snit
2019-08-03 21:36:05 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
You really should look at the world BMI index before you talk about why
U.S. health care costs what it does.
If Americans are less healthy it surely has something to do with lack of
affordable access to preventive care.
It is also tied to a huge break in productivity and financial gain --
when that tie is broken people become hopeless and the incentive to do
better is weakened.
Maybe they should get off their asses and make a change.
Snit has already essentially argued that if you're in the bottom 20%
it's OK to let your health go.
Direct lie from Carroll.
Post by Steve Carroll
I'd argue that your health is your most
important asset in any bracket. If you're feeling poorly you're not
likely to do what it takes to climb the ladder (common sense).
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 18:06:31 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other;
And nothing ever comes of it, right? No jobs are ever created, no gov't
contracts are ever doled out?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/
You know what *does* create jobs? *Unmet demand*. And what creates that?
Putting more spending cash in the pockets of the working class and
unemployed.
Are you suggesting we should not worship the rich as the great and
benevolent "job creators"? HEATHEN!
sending much of it to overseas
tax havens to avoid contributing back into the system that has benefited
them so much
... is something we *know* even "liberal" tech companies will do when
the gov't takes too big a bite.
There are no "liberal" companies. However they market themselves all big
businesses ultimately support right wing policies, because right wing
policies benefit them and their fatcat owners at everyone else's expense.
and parking the rest in real estate they don't use,
So... like the $$ you envision sitting in a vault, this land never get
used. LOL!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/01/empty-homes-normal-rules-do-not-apply-to-super-rich-in-london
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/nyregion/more-apartments-are-empty-yet-rented-or-owned-census-finds.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/real-estate/no-home-manhattan-luxurious-apartments-article-1.1928637
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Snit
2019-08-03 18:07:09 UTC
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says...
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway system or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
She said as she made my point. Who gave them "bailout money"?
Trump.
What a moron you are.
https://rightwingk00kshite.com/what-was-the-bank-bailout-bill-3305675
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/
SPNAK!
Carroll needs to see this, too.
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Snit
2019-08-03 18:08:12 UTC
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So in PRINCIPLE, can you see what is appealing about spending less to
get better care? Can you see how this is a likely outcome, and is an
outcome already enjoyed by many around the world?
   I have never seen the government run anything well it will become
bloated with bureaucrats.
   I will oppose it until I see evidence and details on how it will
work.
   Listening to you is like hearing someone say we can go to other
planets and having no idea what that would require.  You have no idea
of the complexities here.
You disingenuous k0ok.
You say this as if it's something *nobody's ever done before*, when
there are all these other countries with working universal healthcare
systems you can copy, such as Finland.
Just not the Brits' NHS. Dear God, not the NHS.
*snicker*
Mattb does not think the US can be as great as these other countries, at
least in the area of health care.
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Snit
2019-08-03 18:09:08 UTC
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*I* am talking about those cities, the Dem failures after promising the
moon. You're just loopy... this "Nads" character is pretty detached, too.
Reasonable person: People are having to choose between "mommy's
basement" and homelessness.
Nads: The solution is obvious, you fascist... let in as many people who
have less than a high school education and can't speak the language as
possible and pay for their existence.
Reasonable person: Wait a minute... how does that work? The jobs they
get will guarantee they'll be no better than the basement dwellers and
it will only take jobs away from them.
Nads: You ignorant scum, we raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour, this
will mean more people will spend and there will be more jobs!
Reasonable person: But that will just drive up *all* wages.
Nads: Exactly! And everyone will be rich! This is Utopia, you fool, line
up or start swimming.
Please to be posting the MID where Nadegda said any of this, ko0k?
Carroll, often with socks, plays the same games with me -- it is his way
of admitting he cannot support his point, nor refute yours, so he feels
the need to lie.

It is a form of waving his very tattered white flag.
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 18:40:22 UTC
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Post by Snit
*I* am talking about those cities, the Dem failures after promising the
moon. You're just loopy... this "Nads" character is pretty detached, too.
Reasonable person: People are having to choose between "mommy's
basement" and homelessness.
Nads: The solution is obvious, you fascist... let in as many people who
have less than a high school education and can't speak the language as
possible and pay for their existence.
Reasonable person: Wait a minute... how does that work? The jobs they
get will guarantee they'll be no better than the basement dwellers and
it will only take jobs away from them.
Nads: You ignorant scum, we raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour, this
will mean more people will spend and there will be more jobs!
Reasonable person: But that will just drive up *all* wages.
Nads: Exactly! And everyone will be rich! This is Utopia, you fool, line
up or start swimming.
Please to be posting the MID where Nadegda said any of this, ko0k?
Carroll, often with socks, plays the same games with me -- it is his way
of admitting he cannot support his point, nor refute yours, so he feels
the need to lie.
It is a form of waving his very tattered white flag.
You are dishonest.
%
2019-08-03 19:31:04 UTC
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You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You never
cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue an
emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that the
top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead of
trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Snit
2019-08-03 19:33:17 UTC
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Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead of
trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Without it I would have plenty to say. Mostly about penguins and polar
bears and the sadness they both feel about rarely being invited to each
others parties.
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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
%
2019-08-03 19:43:28 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead
of trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Without it I would have plenty to say. Mostly about penguins and polar
bears and the sadness they both feel about rarely being invited to each
others parties.
my reply wasn't for you paranoia petey ,
plus your news server doesn't like group flooding
Snit
2019-08-03 21:29:48 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Snit
Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead
of trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders,
and exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Without it I would have plenty to say. Mostly about penguins and polar
bears and the sadness they both feel about rarely being invited to
each others parties.
my reply wasn't for you paranoia petey ,
Never said it was for me.
Post by %
plus your news server doesn't like group flooding
Neither do I?
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 20:48:27 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead of
trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Without it I would have plenty to say. Mostly about penguins and polar
bears and the sadness they both feel about rarely being invited to each
others parties.
Fuck them all...and the damn seals too.
mixed nuts
2019-08-03 21:03:09 UTC
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Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead of
trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Somebody has to speak for the billionaires. With a $22 Trillion
national debt, there may not be enough money for the amenities (steaks,
parties, horse doovers, custom golf carts...) they deserve unless they
get an emergency tax break.
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Grizzly H.
%
2019-08-03 21:08:07 UTC
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Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead
of trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Somebody has to speak for the billionaires.  With a $22 Trillion
national debt, there may not be enough money for the amenities (steaks,
parties, horse doovers, custom golf carts...) they deserve unless they
get an emergency tax break.
well you've had your turn now
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:19:40 UTC
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In article <qi4sqj$vro$***@gioia.aioe.org>, ***@undulatus.budgie
says...
Post by mixed nuts
Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You
never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the
country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money.  It is to laugh.
We must have plenty of money.  Ted Cruz wants The President to issue
an emergency order to index capital gains taxes to inflation so that
the top 1% get more money that stays in rich people pockets instead of
trickling down.  It's an emergency.  Yacht orders, jet orders, and
exotic golf vacations depend on it.
and without it you'd have nothing to say
Somebody has to speak for the billionaires. With a $22 Trillion
national debt, there may not be enough money for the amenities (steaks,
parties, horse doovers, custom golf carts...) they deserve unless they
get an emergency tax break.
If they can afford them they deserve them.
Mattb
2019-08-03 21:01:48 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
Liberals are very racist that is just a fact. You show racism
often.
You claim it is a "fact" but offer zero evidence.
Every time I see a attack on white people it is racism. Not all
whites are the same.
Can you point to some of these attacks? I would not support attacking
white people either!
You did it just this week with your comments about "White
privilege" like all whites get special treatment. Maybe 60 years ago
many did.
This is you just
lashing out and trying to put me on the defensive. Not biting. If you
could have backed your point you would have. It is not that there are no
racists among, say, Democrats, but the liberal worldview in general is
about equal rights, the opposite of what we see with racism.
Liberals are very racist and look to use racism as a tool.
I welcome support. You surprised me by actually answering a question
about accepting a health care system with better outcomes and lower
costs -- you said even in principle you would not. Maybe you will
surprise me and actually offer some evidence here.
I doubt it.
You simply are looking for attention.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:08:14 UTC
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Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
Liberals are very racist that is just a fact. You show racism
often.
You claim it is a "fact" but offer zero evidence.
Every time I see a attack on white people it is racism. Not all
whites are the same.
Can you point to some of these attacks? I would not support attacking
white people either!
You did it just this week with your comments about "White
privilege" like all whites get special treatment. Maybe 60 years ago
many did.
It is not an "attack" to note that whites have many things easier than
do people of color. And keep in mind the evidence shows what I am noting:

https://www.icloud.com/pages/0OxJ9LmqU3lZI9p0TBEFkbkBQ

You claiming to not see the bias and challenges others face that you do
not merely serves to prove I am right -- many whites have no clue what
others go through.

Nobody is attacking you for it through. Nobody is saying you have not
faced challenges (another common straw man). What is being noted is you
rarely face challenges BECAUSE of your color, and when you do it is not
to the same level and same frequency as those with darker skin do.

The evidence basks this.
Post by Mattb
This is you just
lashing out and trying to put me on the defensive. Not biting. If you
could have backed your point you would have. It is not that there are no
racists among, say, Democrats, but the liberal worldview in general is
about equal rights, the opposite of what we see with racism.
Liberals are very racist and look to use racism as a tool.
I welcome support. You surprised me by actually answering a question
about accepting a health care system with better outcomes and lower
costs -- you said even in principle you would not. Maybe you will
surprise me and actually offer some evidence here.
I doubt it.
You simply are looking for attention.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-03 22:32:39 UTC
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Post by Snit
You claiming to not see the bias and challenges others face that you do
not merely serves to prove I am right -- many whites have no clue what
others go through.
And you do?
Post by Snit
Nobody is attacking you for it through. Nobody is saying you have not
faced challenges (another common straw man). What is being noted is you
rarely face challenges BECAUSE of your color, and when you do it is not
to the same level and same frequency as those with darker skin do.
The evidence basks this.
bask this bitch.
Mattb
2019-08-03 21:07:42 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
Prove I am lying?
Contrary to facts, and fact I have shared with you no less, you claim I
am a socialist (a common far right rallying cry when they know they
cannot back their views).
I believe you are a socialist and freeloader.
To try to defend your lies by saying you know more about the person you
lie about than the person you are lying about is just nonsense.
I believe you are a socialist and freeloader.
You tell such falsehoods about me -- that is simply a fact.
Do you want me to investigate?
This backs the idea you largely side with the far right, and it is a
specific example of you flat out lying.
Below you try to use your lies to defend your lies. You are telling
falsehoods. That is simply a fact.
I do not like socialist and freeloaders that is a fact not a lie.

It is also not a lie the many on the left do not support your views
on socialism and Freeloaders.

I do know for a fact not all Democrat support the far left and
progressive movement. Trump could not have been elected without some
Democrat support. He kicked Hillary's ass because she was a arrogant
elitist. Personally I did not think he had a choice and no I did not
vote for him.

There was no lie. There goes your Honesty and honor down the drain.
No it doesn't just shows I do not like socialist or freeloaders. Do
you believe everyone on the left supports socialism or freeloaders???
I know for a fact many Democrats do not.
That was simple.
Snit
2019-08-03 22:09:02 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
Prove I am lying?
Contrary to facts, and fact I have shared with you no less, you claim I
am a socialist (a common far right rallying cry when they know they
cannot back their views).
I believe you are a socialist and freeloader.
To try to defend your lies by saying you know more about the person you
lie about than the person you are lying about is just nonsense.
I believe you are a socialist and freeloader.
You tell such falsehoods about me -- that is simply a fact.
Do you want me to investigate?
This backs the idea you largely side with the far right, and it is a
specific example of you flat out lying.
Below you try to use your lies to defend your lies. You are telling
falsehoods. That is simply a fact.
I do not like socialist and freeloaders that is a fact not a lie.
It is also not a lie the many on the left do not support your views
on socialism and Freeloaders.
I do know for a fact not all Democrat support the far left and
progressive movement. Trump could not have been elected without some
Democrat support. He kicked Hillary's ass because she was a arrogant
elitist. Personally I did not think he had a choice and no I did not
vote for him.
There was no lie. There goes your Honesty and honor down the drain.
No it doesn't just shows I do not like socialist or freeloaders. Do
you believe everyone on the left supports socialism or freeloaders???
I know for a fact many Democrats do not.
That was simple.
Above you say you have convinced yourself of lies. I cannot help you
with that... you have to be the one to try to accept reality.
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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