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What economists have gotten wrong for decades
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Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:07:50 UTC
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In article <qi24gp$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
The pattern is, they don't complain that wrong ideas aren't taught
when the correct ideas don't challenge the profits of giant corporations
(climate change), white supremacy (racial IQs not being different), or
Christian theocracy (evolution).
Excellent and correct list.
Of course it is -- it came from kensi. Remember this: kensi is always
right. Always.
The *one* other thing that right-wingers constantly kvetch about in
connection with universities being sexual assault policies, because they
want it to be easier for privileged young men to rape and to get away
with rape. They're disgusting that way.
And when rich white guys do rape they get lighter sentences because,
geez, nobody wants to harm their future that is so bright! Insane.
Or they even get appointed to the damn Supreme Court. :P
Who would that be nitwit? I want names and proof.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:09:53 UTC
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(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
"You want the Democrats to negotiate with the pharmaceutical industry AS
IF they had the power to do so in a stronger way even though they do
not?" - Snit


That's right, even if you voted in all Dems at the fed level ("run the
coutnry") they have limited power. IOW, start noticing your
contradictions (that I keep pointing out).
Snit
2019-08-02 20:48:21 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
"You want the Democrats to negotiate with the pharmaceutical industry AS
IF they had the power to do so in a stronger way even though they do
not?" - Snit
That's right, even if you voted in all Dems at the fed level ("run the
coutnry") they have limited power. IOW, start noticing your
contradictions (that I keep pointing out).
Right... it is an idiotic idea to say Democrats should act as if we have
single payer when we do not.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:10:58 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
anyone that supports the idiot Snit can't be to bright.
Hi, Skeetard!
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Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:15:20 UTC
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In article <qi25ch$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
anyone that supports the idiot Snit can't be to bright.
Hi, Skeetard!
Proof kook.

Damn you're dumb.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:11:38 UTC
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In article <qi24n5$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
The Republicans are actively fighting against the US having a
representative government.
Right, because
Voter suppression.
Gerrymandering.
SPNAK!x2
Your snipping the part that you couldn't refute is a self spank on your
part.
mixed nuts
2019-08-02 20:11:58 UTC
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Conservatives say they are being discriminated against
Cite
It's a well known fact among conservatives who are under constant attack
by the left. Just watch Faux Nooz for 6 hours a day - hardly a minute
goes by (between TP and accident lawyer and buy gold commercials) when
discrimination against conservatives isn't mentioned. Did you know that
Ilhan Omar is very anti-conservative? That's mentioned a lot. Also,
antifa throws water and milkshakes on conservatives which is practically
terrorism. That's mentioned a lot too.
Good, since it's true it should be reported.
Conservatives whine about it every day, including The President, so now
it's up to the judges to convict everyone who doesn't honer The
Conservatives.
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Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:16:31 UTC
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Post by mixed nuts
Conservatives say they are being discriminated against
Cite
It's a well known fact among conservatives who are under constant attack
by the left. Just watch Faux Nooz for 6 hours a day - hardly a minute
goes by (between TP and accident lawyer and buy gold commercials) when
discrimination against conservatives isn't mentioned. Did you know that
Ilhan Omar is very anti-conservative? That's mentioned a lot. Also,
antifa throws water and milkshakes on conservatives which is practically
terrorism. That's mentioned a lot too.
Good, since it's true it should be reported.
Conservatives whine about it every day, including The President, so now
it's up to the judges to convict everyone who doesn't honer The
Conservatives.
We don't beat up people and burn our own schools because a liberal wants
to speak. Talk about anger.
mixed nuts
2019-08-02 21:22:10 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by mixed nuts
Conservatives say they are being discriminated against
Cite
It's a well known fact among conservatives who are under constant attack
by the left. Just watch Faux Nooz for 6 hours a day - hardly a minute
goes by (between TP and accident lawyer and buy gold commercials) when
discrimination against conservatives isn't mentioned. Did you know that
Ilhan Omar is very anti-conservative? That's mentioned a lot. Also,
antifa throws water and milkshakes on conservatives which is practically
terrorism. That's mentioned a lot too.
Good, since it's true it should be reported.
Conservatives whine about it every day, including The President, so now
it's up to the judges to convict everyone who doesn't honer The
Conservatives.
We don't beat up people and burn our own schools because a liberal wants
to speak. Talk about anger.
Conservatives are holy god-fearing people who get really angry at being
replaced by people who aren't white christians who support Israel and
only drive over people who get in their way and only shoot people at
concerts and festivals and schools and churches with open carry rifles
and pistols and Nazi flags and professional tactical gear loadouts (camo
underpants, army socks, OD snotrags).
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2019-08-02 21:58:28 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:22:10 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; mixed nuts
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/2019 4:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ In article <qi25eh$17dj$***@gioia.aioe.org>,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ***@undulatus.budgie says...
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ In article <qi23ve$10q8$***@gioia.aioe.org>,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ***@undulatus.budgie says...
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ In article <***@mid.individual.net>,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ***@gallopinginsanity.com says...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Conservatives say they are being discriminated against
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Cite
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ It's a well known fact among conservatives who are under constant attack
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ by the left. Just watch Faux Nooz for 6 hours a day - hardly a minute
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ that Ilhan Omar is very anti-conservative? That's mentioned a lot.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Also, antifa throws water and milkshakes on conservatives which is
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Conservatives whine about it every day, including The President, so now
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Conservatives are holy god-fearing people who get really angry at being
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ replaced by people who aren't white christians who support Israel and
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ only drive over people who get in their way and only shoot people at
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ concerts and festivals and schools and churches with open carry rifles
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ and pistols and Nazi flags and professional tactical gear loadouts (camo
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ underpants, army socks, OD snotrags).
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Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:12:59 UTC
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In article <qi24vm$2v9$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
Just look at California, a shithole of shitholes.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:18:02 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
says...
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
Just look at California, a shithole of shitholes.
I lived there for almost 20 years... it's sad what's happened.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:21:40 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi25pq$2v9$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
says...
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
Just look at California, a shithole of shitholes.
I lived there for almost 20 years... it's sad what's happened.
I was born and raised in SO CAL, a real shithole. Govt corruption run
rampid.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:44:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
says...
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
Just look at California, a shithole of shitholes.
I lived there for almost 20 years... it's sad what's happened.
People with less than equal representational power get screwed.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:21:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
says...
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country...
They're running cities all over the country, a large chunk of them are
totally f*cked up. What, do you think if you vote in all Dems it's going
to change how those (too often, corrupt) people in city and state govt's
do business? Can you possibly be *that* clueless?!
Just look at California, a shithole of shitholes.
I lived there for almost 20 years... it's sad what's happened.
People with less than equal representational power get screwed.
Not our fault that Democrats wanted to destroy a whole state.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:14:14 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.

And then you deny that white privilege is at all relevant? Really?

<smh>
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:17:22 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi25il$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
He never said that, you did, snit clone.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:22:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
He never said that, you did, snit clone.
It's called a whi... uh, 'surrender flag', it's done when you've lost
the argument.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:20:20 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:23:12 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi25u3$2v9$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
This whole conversation started about people wandering around the border
where no one needs to wander around.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:26:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
This whole conversation started about people wandering around the border
where no one needs to wander around.
Even back then I said not merely on darker skin because so many at the
border have it (including border agents). But this doesn't stop them
from being intellectually dishonest. When you run out of steam you kill
the messenger when you're afflicted with this issue.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:28:26 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi269n$2v9$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
This whole conversation started about people wandering around the border
where no one needs to wander around.
Even back then I said not merely on darker skin because so many at the
border have it (including border agents). But this doesn't stop them
from being intellectually dishonest. When you run out of steam you kill
the messenger when you're afflicted with this issue.
Snit ignored the fact that these
"profilers" known as the border patrol is 72% latino.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:40:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
This whole conversation started about people wandering around the border
where no one needs to wander around.
Even back then I said not merely on darker skin because so many at the
border have it (including border agents). But this doesn't stop them
from being intellectually dishonest. When you run out of steam you kill
the messenger when you're afflicted with this issue.
You used darker skin as a basis for determining if someone is more
"suspicious" and even used specific races in your examples. Meanwhile
you run when asked about what rights YOU should have to give up based
NOT on your race but your known actions.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:09:06 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Skeeter
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
This whole conversation started about people wandering around the border
where no one needs to wander around.
Who decides "where no one needs to wander around", kooky? You?
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:42:36 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi28ph$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Skeeter
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
This whole conversation started about people wandering around the border
where no one needs to wander around.
Who decides "where no one needs to wander around", kooky? You?
Go down to the border, you live in Tucson you claim. Head down there
where there is no port of entry and wander around and tell us how it
worked out.

Nice leaky kilfile.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:42:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
Where "profiling" is what a cop will do in his mind. I already stated
that I'm not OK with acting on mere suspicion alone. IOW, you don't
understand what you're reading (or you're purposefully 'pulling a Snit').
"alone". You use race as a determining factor on if someone is
"suspicious" and then cry when your racism is called out and show
hypocrisy when you are asked what rights you should give up.

Carroll:
-----
Reasonable people understand there's a balance between
security and rights.
-----

Be specific: what rights should be tossed out the window to make sure
you never contact me outside of Usenet again, no less my wife, family,
friends, co-workers, employers, neighbors, clients, etc.?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:08:31 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
[defends the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law
enforcement *again*]
When in a hole, kook, stop digging!
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
%
2019-08-02 21:20:00 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
[defends the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law
enforcement *again*]
When in a hole, kook, stop digging!
can you dig it
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:39:34 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi28of$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
[defends the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law
enforcement *again*]
When in a hole, kook, stop digging!
Did his shovel hit you on the head?
Snit
2019-08-02 21:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Hey, fuckhead. Yeah, you, fuckhead. You were just saying how you (a
white) feel safe and secure because of compromises made about
fundamental human rights where those compromises disproportionately
harm black people. You have gone on record *repeatedly* defending
the racial profiling of black and Latinx people by law enforcement.
And then you deny that white privilege is at all relevant? Really?
<smh>
He denies it because it does not harm him. And he still plays victim.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:14:30 UTC
Permalink
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:18:03 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi25j6$2v9$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
Snit lies about his accomplishments.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:23:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
Snit lies about his accomplishments.
Well, he did have to click a button to perform the installation ;)
Snit
2019-08-02 21:01:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF


And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
trivial to show you lied:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

Carroll responds <qhpgof$3jh$***@dont-email.me>:
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----

Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 21:11:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
I think any web dev worthy of the title would buy server space, like you
currently have for your 'business' (hint: you can host it on the same
server) and do the thing on their own.

(snip repeated lies)
Snit
2019-08-02 21:16:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
    -----
    <meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
    Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
    -----
    -----
    If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
    ----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Carroll, of course, ran.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:35:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Thanks for proving you don't know shit about web design.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 23:49:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Thanks for proving you don't know shit about web design.
It's worse than just the design aspects, when you look under the hood
you should be able to tell a Wordpress site from one built using
GoDaddy's Website Builder software. The only "proof" that Snit ever
posted that I had anything to do with "The Old Neighborhood" site is a
link to a page from Wordpress plugin data. IOW, he's lying about me
having built their site (that he links to in that web.archive page). I
built a demo site, that he has a video of on his bogus YT account, a
site that the owner of that restaurant never saw because it only lived
on my computer. IOW, that's how little Snit knows about building
websites. Anyone looking at his site can see his problem with "design".
His site is actually an old Adobe DreamWeaver template, so he didn't
"design" anything, he changed colors, fonts. So... he fails on design
and the stuff under the hood. If you go to his site you'll see he
mentions he builds websites but there are none in the portfolio section.

Ask him why? ;)
Snit
2019-08-02 23:58:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Thanks for proving you don't know shit about web design.
It's worse than just the design aspects, when you look under the hood
you should be able to tell a Wordpress site from one built using
GoDaddy's Website Builder software.
Oh, there are other ways to tell you lied, but the one line I share
there is clear to anyone:

-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

For you to claim "The Old Neighborhood Restaurant" site, with that line
in its code, was made with WordPress is just silly (unless you claim you
added those lines just to be silly or whatever, but we can look at the
code more and fine more evidence).
Post by Steve Carroll
The only "proof" that Snit ever
posted that I had anything to do with "The Old Neighborhood" site
I never verified if you did nor did not have anything to do with the
site YOU claimed to have created and bragged about how much better it
was than my sites.

It is not my job to verify your claim, but given how you still have a
video showing how you tried to update the site to WordPress it is pretty
clear you were associated with that site!

And below you babble incoherent accusations not even you believe.
Post by Steve Carroll
is a
link to a page from Wordpress plugin data. IOW, he's lying about me
having built their site (that he links to in that web.archive page). I
built a demo site, that he has a video of on his bogus YT account, a
site that the owner of that restaurant never saw because it only lived
on my computer. IOW, that's how little Snit knows about building
websites. Anyone looking at his site can see his problem with "design".
His site is actually an old Adobe DreamWeaver template, so he didn't
"design" anything, he changed colors, fonts. So... he fails on design
and the stuff under the hood. If you go to his site you'll see he
mentions he builds websites but there are none in the portfolio section.
Ask him why? ;)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 00:53:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Thanks for proving you don't know shit about web design.
It's worse than just the design aspects, when you look under the hood
you should be able to tell a Wordpress site from one built using
GoDaddy's Website Builder software.
Oh, there are other ways to tell you lied,
You just can't seem to come up with them.
Post by Snit
but the one line I share
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
And where is the tie to me? If you're going to allege I built it,
shouldn't there be something that points to my having done so, you know,
a way for you to back your claim (lie)?
Post by Snit
It is not my job to verify your claim,
The irony here is, that's the only thing you did verify, that I built a
local WP demo, which is my claim. What you didn't do is prove *your*
claim, that I built this GoDaddy Website Builder site. What kind of a
web developer can't tell the difference between the two? YOU! LOL!
Post by Snit
but given how you still have a
video showing how you tried to update the site to WordPress it is pretty
clear you were associated with that site!
And below you babble incoherent accusations not even you believe.
You already proved it.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
is a
link to a page from Wordpress plugin data. IOW, he's lying about me
having built their site (that he links to in that web.archive page). I
built a demo site, that he has a video of on his bogus YT account, a
site that the owner of that restaurant never saw because it only lived
on my computer. IOW, that's how little Snit knows about building
websites. Anyone looking at his site can see his problem with "design".
His site is actually an old Adobe DreamWeaver template, so he didn't
"design" anything, he changed colors, fonts. So... he fails on design
and the stuff under the hood. If you go to his site you'll see he
mentions he builds websites but there are none in the portfolio section.
Ask him why? ;)
Snit
2019-08-03 01:21:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Thanks for proving you don't know shit about web design.
It's worse than just the design aspects, when you look under the hood
you should be able to tell a Wordpress site from one built using
GoDaddy's Website Builder software.
Oh, there are other ways to tell you lied,
You just can't seem to come up with them.
Post by Snit
but the one line I share
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
And where is the tie to me?
By your own claims. And your video where you show how you tried to
migrate past the utter crap you bragged about.

Below you continue to ask me to prove if you lied or not about your
site. Whatever. Your pretzel logic is idiotic. This is what I know about it:

---------------------------------------------------------------
Carroll, claimed his "The Old Neighborhood Restaurant" website was
always made with WordPress. It was trivial to show Carroll lied:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----

Carroll responds <qhpgof$3jh$***@dont-email.me>:
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----

Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
---------------------------------------------------------------

I do not care about your trolling on this to try to dig yourself out of
your insanity.
Post by Steve Carroll
If you're going to allege I built it,
shouldn't there be something that points to my having done so, you know,
a way for you to back your claim (lie)?
Post by Snit
It is not my job to verify your claim,
The irony here is, that's the only thing you did verify, that I built a
local WP demo, which is my claim. What you didn't do is prove *your*
claim, that I built this GoDaddy Website Builder site. What kind of a
web developer can't tell the difference between the two? YOU! LOL!
Post by Snit
but given how you still have a
video showing how you tried to update the site to WordPress it is pretty
clear you were associated with that site!
And below you babble incoherent accusations not even you believe.
You already proved it.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
is a
link to a page from Wordpress plugin data. IOW, he's lying about me
having built their site (that he links to in that web.archive page). I
built a demo site, that he has a video of on his bogus YT account, a
site that the owner of that restaurant never saw because it only lived
on my computer. IOW, that's how little Snit knows about building
websites. Anyone looking at his site can see his problem with "design".
His site is actually an old Adobe DreamWeaver template, so he didn't
"design" anything, he changed colors, fonts. So... he fails on design
and the stuff under the hood. If you go to his site you'll see he
mentions he builds websites but there are none in the portfolio section.
Ask him why? ;)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 01:30:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
...
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Hillary is a twat. That's the sum of it.
http://hildoclump.wordpress.com
I don't trust your links.
It's a wordpress.com link, so it's pretty safe. The irony here is, Snit
is a web dev, he should be able to host his own version of Wordpress and
create his own theme (at least be able to tweak an existing theme). You
could go to wordpress.com and get a site up in minutes, the URL would be
something like: http://skeeter.wordpress.com
You think I am obligated to host my own server to make such a site? WTF
And keep in mind you could have made your "The Old Neighborhood
Restaurant" website with WordPress AS YOU CLAIMED YOU DID. It was
http://web.archive.org/web/20150217224456/http://oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
OR <http://tinyurl.com/y2u3goth>
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
-----
If I'm the one lying, prove I had anything to do with that site.
----
Carroll is demanding *I* prove he made the site *he* insisted he made...
LOL!
Thanks for proving you don't know shit about web design.
It's worse than just the design aspects, when you look under the hood
you should be able to tell a Wordpress site from one built using
GoDaddy's Website Builder software.
Oh, there are other ways to tell you lied,
You just can't seem to come up with them.
Post by Snit
but the one line I share
-----
<meta name="generator" content="Starfield Technologies;
Go Daddy Website Builder v6.1.7"/>
-----
And where is the tie to me?
By your own claims.
So point to *my* "claims" where I state I built a Go Daddy Website Builder
site. Should be easy if it happened. Right, Mr. Honesty and Honor?
You've had years now, what's the hangup?


---------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Snit
I do not care about your trolling on this to try to dig yourself out of
your insanity.
Post by Steve Carroll
If you're going to allege I built it,
shouldn't there be something that points to my having done so, you know,
a way for you to back your claim (lie)?
Post by Snit
It is not my job to verify your claim,
The irony here is, that's the only thing you did verify, that I built a
local WP demo, which is my claim. What you didn't do is prove *your*
claim, that I built this GoDaddy Website Builder site. What kind of a
web developer can't tell the difference between the two? YOU! LOL!
Post by Snit
but given how you still have a
video showing how you tried to update the site to WordPress it is pretty
clear you were associated with that site!
And below you babble incoherent accusations not even you believe.
You already proved it.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
is a
link to a page from Wordpress plugin data. IOW, he's lying about me
having built their site (that he links to in that web.archive page). I
built a demo site, that he has a video of on his bogus YT account, a
site that the owner of that restaurant never saw because it only lived
on my computer. IOW, that's how little Snit knows about building
websites. Anyone looking at his site can see his problem with "design".
His site is actually an old Adobe DreamWeaver template, so he didn't
"design" anything, he changed colors, fonts. So... he fails on design
and the stuff under the hood. If you go to his site you'll see he
mentions he builds websites but there are none in the portfolio section.
Ask him why? ;)
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:18:17 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
I'm fine with the areas identified by the CPB.
But you cannot find it.
??? The salient point isn't the locations,
When you speak about "areas" it is very important for you to be able to
say what areas you mean. Kinda key, really.
The only "key" thing is that they're "open" and traversable.
What areas do you mean?
Oh. You have none.
Note, I am not saying none exist -- like the Democrats I back improving
our physical borders and extending them where there is good reason to
think it will make a difference and not just be a huge symbol that harms
America and costs lots of money.
I do notice you never ask how to pay for the wall that harms America...
but you do ask how we can afford to invest in the future of America and
help those truly in need.
I bet he never asks how to pay the bloated Pentagon budget either. Or for
giant tax cuts for the rich. Or for wars of foreign adventure.
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Snit
2019-08-02 21:10:08 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:08:37 -0700, Snit
...
Sadly yes but all I can do is refuse to vote for any politician that
would rather help illegals than homeless Americans.
It's a shame it's come to that. I like the melting pot idea but adding
too many too quickly when they won't/can't assimilate is an ever present
issue. Now that it's been weaponized things are f*cked.
If they win the election soon they will need to fix the problem I
would think Obama did much the same as Trump just didn't want a wall.
What court order dealing with immigrants did Obama ignore?
Obama removed more immigrants a year than Trump has and you liberals
said nothing. What is that about other than a election gambit one I
hope you lose.
SC gave you a lose on the wall it seems. Now while I don't support
a wall I do support the barriers being repaired.
To me, a 'wall' can be better (and more) fencing. We need more than just
replacing the current stuff, there are still too many open areas.
Such as? Show a map and show where you want new borders made.
I'm fine with the areas identified by the CPB.
But you cannot find it.
??? The salient point isn't the locations,
When you speak about "areas" it is very important for you to be able to
say what areas you mean. Kinda key, really.
The only "key" thing is that they're "open" and traversable.
What areas do you mean?
Oh. You have none.
Note, I am not saying none exist -- like the Democrats I back improving
our physical borders and extending them where there is good reason to
think it will make a difference and not just be a huge symbol that harms
America and costs lots of money.
I do notice you never ask how to pay for the wall that harms America...
but you do ask how we can afford to invest in the future of America and
help those truly in need.
I bet he never asks how to pay the bloated Pentagon budget either. Or for
giant tax cuts for the rich. Or for wars of foreign adventure.
Yup. How can we pay to be moral... always asked. How can we pay to serve
the rich... never asked.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
%
2019-08-02 20:22:42 UTC
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You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
See COLA.
I don't drink soda and I don't go to groups that I have no interest in.
You're right here numbskull.
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money. It is to laugh.
We can afford to save money.
Who is "we"?
the nation of the country
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:24:28 UTC
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Post by %
You have not answered how you will pay. You have no plan. You never cry
about freebies for the rich. I work for investments into the country and
helping those truly in need.
Like our own homeless instead of fence jumpers?
But when suggestions are made to help the homeless the right screams
"Socialism" and refuses to help.
Cite?
See COLA.
I don't drink soda and I don't go to groups that I have no interest in.
You're right here numbskull.
Nope. We can and should do both. We have the money to do both. We have
the promise of doing both. And it is in our financial best interest to
do both.
So why would we not?
22 trillion in debt and you say we have the money. It is to laugh.
We can afford to save money.
Who is "we"?
the nation of the country
oh those guys
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:23:35 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Israel is a ally that you support the terrorist is no surprise.
<facepalm>
Hi Skeeter!
He really isn't very good at the whole socking-up thing, is he? Too
transparent. Too many tells.

<snicker>
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FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:25:40 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi2647$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Israel is a ally that you support the terrorist is no surprise.
<facepalm>
Hi Skeeter!
He really isn't very good at the whole socking-up thing, is he? Too
transparent. Too many tells.
<snicker>
Can you show these "tells"? You are really more confused than a room
full of gender queers.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:27:25 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Skeeter
2019-08-02 20:30:48 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi26bd$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
And you are far left, or stupid as we call it.
Mattb
2019-08-02 21:00:51 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Why because I oppose socialism and AOC? What position are you
talking about Details.......

I'm betting like Snit you can't provide any.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:24:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Why because I oppose socialism and AOC?
It is fine to oppose them... but to scream about them as your boogiemen
is a right wing delusion. And you do that.
Post by Mattb
What position are you
talking about Details.......
I'm betting like Snit you can't provide any.
I have. Repeatedly. It is also a trait of the far right to deny evidence.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:12:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Why because I oppose socialism and AOC?
It is fine to oppose them... but to scream about them as your boogiemen
is a right wing delusion. And you do that.
Then to you it is OK to oppose them just not publicly? You are
insane.
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
What position are you
talking about Details.......
I'm betting like Snit you can't provide any.
I have. Repeatedly. It is also a trait of the far right to deny evidence.
No you post liberal BS and without the Data to support it.
Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-02 22:18:22 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:12:18 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; Mattb
<***@gmail.com> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@4ax.com>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 14:24:14 -0700, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 2:00 PM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ <***@gmail.invalid> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:16:36 -0400, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ <***@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/1/2019 11:10 PM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ How will you pay for all this? Details?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?" Now why might that be?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Why because I oppose socialism and AOC?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ It is fine to oppose them... but to scream about them as your boogiemen
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ is a right wing delusion. And you do that.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Then to you it is OK to oppose them just not publicly? You are insane.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ What position are you talking about Details....... I'm betting like
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Snit you can't provide any.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I have. Repeatedly. It is also a trait of the far right to deny
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ evidence.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ No you post liberal BS and without the Data to support it.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡

you make low-class racist Republicans look like geniuses.
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Snit
2019-08-03 00:21:40 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Why because I oppose socialism and AOC?
It is fine to oppose them... but to scream about them as your boogiemen
is a right wing delusion. And you do that.
Then to you it is OK to oppose them just not publicly?
What a weird idea! Not mine at all.
Post by Mattb
You are insane.
You presented an idea completely contrary to my view and dishonest
attributed it to me and then engage in insults to try to hide what you
just did. How classy!
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
What position are you
talking about Details.......
I'm betting like Snit you can't provide any.
I have. Repeatedly. It is also a trait of the far right to deny evidence.
No you post liberal BS and without the Data to support it.
I think we can safely say I post more evidence in the terms of logic,
reason, and studies than anyone in COLA.

But you are repeatedly immune to evidence and just demand I give you
more or you get to pretend it does not exist. You are deeply dishonest
as you do so.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:41:54 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Why because I oppose socialism and AOC? What position are you
talking about Details.......
Soooo many Skeeter-sock tells ...
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
2019-08-02 21:45:19 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, Nadegda <***@gmail.invalid> wrote:

<...>
Post by Nadegda
Soooo many Skeeter-sock tells ...
I plonked Mattb. I wish you'd do the same.
--
Yours Truly, Sir Gregory

Nadegda, kensi, Fran, Pandora » these are easily
ignored misandrists and anti-American, leftist liars.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:13:34 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 17:45:19 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
Post by Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<...>
Post by Nadegda
Soooo many Skeeter-sock tells ...
I plonked Mattb. I wish you'd do the same.
That is the liberal thing to do any who disagree with you. Sadly for
you can't keep moderates that disagree with you from voting.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:33:59 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi2an2$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 20:27:25 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Why because I oppose socialism and AOC? What position are you
talking about Details.......
Soooo many Skeeter-sock tells ...
I bet you see me in your sleep.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:11:37 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:13:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
Prove I am lying?
Snit
2019-08-03 00:17:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
Prove I am lying?
Contrary to facts, and fact I have shared with you no less, you claim I
am a socialist (a common far right rallying cry when they know they
cannot back their views).

This backs the idea you largely side with the far right, and it is a
specific example of you flat out lying.

That was simple.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 00:47:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
Prove I am lying?
Contrary to facts, and fact I have shared with you no less, you claim I
am a socialist (a common far right rallying cry when they know they
cannot back their views).
I believe you are a socialist and freeloader.
Post by Snit
This backs the idea you largely side with the far right, and it is a
specific example of you flat out lying.
No it doesn't just shows I do not like socialist or freeloaders. Do
you believe everyone on the left supports socialism or freeloaders???
I know for a fact many Democrats do not.
Post by Snit
That was simple.
Snit
2019-08-03 01:16:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
You might *think* that, but your actual stated political positions place
you firmly on the right wing ... almost on the *far* right, in fact.
Right... and I gave specific examples elsewhere. His crying about
"socialism" and lying about AOC non-stop, for example.
Prove I am lying?
Contrary to facts, and fact I have shared with you no less, you claim I
am a socialist (a common far right rallying cry when they know they
cannot back their views).
I believe you are a socialist and freeloader.
To try to defend your lies by saying you know more about the person you
lie about than the person you are lying about is just nonsense.

You tell such falsehoods about me -- that is simply a fact.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
This backs the idea you largely side with the far right, and it is a
specific example of you flat out lying.
Below you try to use your lies to defend your lies. You are telling
falsehoods. That is simply a fact.
Post by Mattb
No it doesn't just shows I do not like socialist or freeloaders. Do
you believe everyone on the left supports socialism or freeloaders???
I know for a fact many Democrats do not.
Post by Snit
That was simple.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 20:30:34 UTC
Permalink
If you answer that correctly,
you don't even begin to discuss single payer health care, or more
federal involvement in education, because the Constitution does not
grant the federal government power to do those things.  Of course,
if you're a Democrat, you don't worry about such niceties and the
problem goes away.
If you really care about the law then surely you want to follow in it in
terms of offering asylum to people... oh. That is a sore spot for those
on the right.
Snit couldn't refute so he twisted it to fit his agenda.
That seems to be Snit's modus operandi and a few other progressive
type liberals.
Mattb
2019-08-02 20:34:04 UTC
Permalink
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country... and those in cities have the least
representational power (or I should say those in states with higher
populations). You blame the impacts on those with the least power for
what those with the most power have contributed to so heavily.
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
BTW you need to look in the mirror how many times have you referred
to me as 'right wing' and implied all 'right wing' think exactly
alike. Snit a progressive hypocrite.
Not all right wingers need think alike -- that is an idea you have
dropped in the conversation. And your insane fear of AOC and your
screaming "socialism" incoherently places you firmly in the extreme
right wing whacko camp.
I do say you are a lying idiot as I seldom use the word 'right wing'
I normally sat far right and far left. Right wing is a propaganda
word of progressives and liberals.
They need it messed up for the 2020
election. So what if people are hurt as long as the Dems win a
election. They've done that to Blacks for decades didn't fix the
problem just put a little money on the problem.
Again, claims you make with no support.
You don't support shit for all the claims you make. Chicago is a
good example of how Democrats have used the minorities for decades.
...
See how you feel the need to lash out and lie. You have not even
answered how you think we can keep affording to pay more for less in
terms of health care.
That is not a lie or they would have done things to end the gangs
and promote businesses moving in making jobs.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:08:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country... and those in cities have the least
representational power (or I should say those in states with higher
populations). You blame the impacts on those with the least power for
what those with the most power have contributed to so heavily.
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.

I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
Post by Mattb
BTW you need to look in the mirror how many times have you referred
to me as 'right wing' and implied all 'right wing' think exactly
alike. Snit a progressive hypocrite.
Not all right wingers need think alike -- that is an idea you have
dropped in the conversation. And your insane fear of AOC and your
screaming "socialism" incoherently places you firmly in the extreme
right wing whacko camp.
Below you run from this.
Post by Mattb
I do say you are a lying idiot as I seldom use the word 'right wing'
I normally sat far right and far left. Right wing is a propaganda
word of progressives and liberals.
They need it messed up for the 2020
election. So what if people are hurt as long as the Dems win a
election. They've done that to Blacks for decades didn't fix the
problem just put a little money on the problem.
Again, claims you make with no support.
You don't support shit for all the claims you make. Chicago is a
good example of how Democrats have used the minorities for decades.
...
See how you feel the need to lash out and lie. You have not even
answered how you think we can keep affording to pay more for less in
terms of health care.
And you ran from this.
Post by Mattb
That is not a lie or they would have done things to end the gangs
and promote businesses moving in making jobs.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:20:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
OK Chicago. Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country... and those in cities have the least
representational power (or I should say those in states with higher
populations). You blame the impacts on those with the least power for
what those with the most power have contributed to so heavily.
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
As do I.

All people should be treated as equals with limited respect no matter
Race, Sex, Religion or Orientation, with no preferential treatment for
Race, Sex, Religion or Orientation.
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
BTW you need to look in the mirror how many times have you referred
to me as 'right wing' and implied all 'right wing' think exactly
alike. Snit a progressive hypocrite.
Not all right wingers need think alike -- that is an idea you have
dropped in the conversation. And your insane fear of AOC and your
screaming "socialism" incoherently places you firmly in the extreme
right wing whacko camp.
Below you run from this.
I ran from your opinion? That is your opinion only.
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
I do say you are a lying idiot as I seldom use the word 'right wing'
I normally sat far right and far left. Right wing is a propaganda
word of progressives and liberals.
They need it messed up for the 2020
election. So what if people are hurt as long as the Dems win a
election. They've done that to Blacks for decades didn't fix the
problem just put a little money on the problem.
Again, claims you make with no support.
You don't support shit for all the claims you make. Chicago is a
good example of how Democrats have used the minorities for decades.
...
See how you feel the need to lash out and lie. You have not even
answered how you think we can keep affording to pay more for less in
terms of health care.
And you ran from this.
I would need details of what you propose and how you would pay for
it to run a comparison.
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
That is not a lie or they would have done things to end the gangs
and promote businesses moving in making jobs.
You ran from this..
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:40:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
The you want to make the whole country like Chicago?
Of course not. What a bizarre straw man.
I want people in Chicago, and everywhere else in the country, to have
equal rights -- including equal rights in representation.
What does that have to do with shitholes being run by democrats.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:36:18 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Those "rich" don't waste money like the federal gov't does, that's *why*
we don't just, you know, kill them all or run them off. It boils down
to who is more trusted to invest.
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway system or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:47:39 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Those "rich" don't waste money like the federal gov't does, that's *why*
we don't just, you know, kill them all or run them off. It boils down
to who is more trusted to invest.
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway systemi
It's a lot easier to build roads than it is cities, as Dems keep
reminding us.
or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
She said as she made my point. Who gave them "bailout money"?
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:16:43 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Those "rich" don't waste money like the federal gov't does, that's *why*
we don't just, you know, kill them all or run them off. It boils down
to who is more trusted to invest.
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway system or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
She said as she made my point. Who gave them "bailout money"?
Trump.
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
2019-08-02 21:21:39 UTC
Permalink
Trump.
PWN3D
--
Yours Truly, Sir Gregory

Nadegda, kensi, Fran, Pandora » these are easily
ignored misandrists and anti-American, leftist liars.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:28:36 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi297q$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Those "rich" don't waste money like the federal gov't does, that's *why*
we don't just, you know, kill them all or run them off. It boils down
to who is more trusted to invest.
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway system or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
She said as she made my point. Who gave them "bailout money"?
Trump.
What a moron you are.

https://www.thebalance.com/what-was-the-bank-bailout-bill-3305675
Snit
2019-08-02 21:10:24 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Those "rich" don't waste money like the federal gov't does, that's *why*
we don't just, you know, kill them all or run them off. It boils down
to who is more trusted to invest.
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway system or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
Excellent question!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:13:02 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi26s2$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Those "rich" don't waste money like the federal gov't does, that's *why*
we don't just, you know, kill them all or run them off. It boils down
to who is more trusted to invest.
Yeah, who should be more trusted to invest, the ones who built the
Interstate highway system or the ones who spent bailout money on stock
buybacks to line their own greedy pockets?
Someone needs a tissue.
Mattb
2019-08-02 20:37:48 UTC
Permalink
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
And never do the libs answer the question. Why is that?
I do. It is easy to pay for single payer health care -- it is a cost
savings. Yes, your taxes will likely go up some, but your insurance
premiums will go away. This will lead to lower out-of-pocket expenses
for most. How do we know this? Because looking at other countries we see
the US pays more and gets less... which makes sense, given how we are
the only country that sees *billions* of dollar siphoned off the system
to go into corporate pockets. Get rid of the system that redistributes
money to the very wealthy and we also get medical professionals not
being forced to handle multiple types of paperwork from multiple
companies, and we get the ability to negotiate prices with the
pharmaceutical industry as a HUGE buyer. In short: you pay LESS and get
MORE.
So the question is not how do we afford to pay for this, the question is
how can we afford NOT to? Nobody seems to have the answer on that one.
As far as education: we need to invest in our future. We need to invest
more into K12. We need to invest more into higher ed, making it so
nobody who is capable and desiring to get a higher education is held
back by lack of funds. This, at first, of course means money going out
-- but in a global economy we are competing with the world. The better
our education system the better we compete in business and manufacturing
and science and more. The better our education the better we are able to
do financially... so in the long term this is a money making proposition.
So the question is not how do we afford to pay for this, the question is
how can we afford NOT to? Nobody seems to have the answer to that one.
To answer your question, I need details on how you will pay for it
to compare to the current system.
See above. Also keep in mind if we stop funding the rich there will be
fewer poor in need so we will save money there, too. Win-win.
Sorry generalities do not make for details. How would you stop
funding the rich?
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Do they? I've never had any problems.
But many do. And he is fairly wealthy, so I am sure he has decent
insurance.
Then maybe the problem was not the insurance but the demand. Your
plans for insurance would not fix that problem.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
What insurance does he have?
Do not know... but he is not fairly wealthy. I am sure he has lower end
insurance.
What do you consider wealthy?
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care. This is
per US and international law. Are you suggesting we all become
"illegals" and ignore the law?
That is why we need to secure the border illegals are a bunch of
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers. Now I'm not talking
about those who enter legally just those that enter as criminals and
law breakers.
Nobody is suggesting we not have secure borders. Your straw man is very,
very tired.
Then you support Trump on this issue. I see.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:57:55 UTC
Permalink
On 8/2/19 1:37 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money. The fact you argue against
this is weird in my view.

Why not seek to be able to see any doctor, go to any facility, have
better outcomes, and pay less than you do now? What possible issue could
there be with that?
Post by Mattb
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Do they? I've never had any problems.
But many do. And he is fairly wealthy, so I am sure he has decent
insurance.
Then maybe the problem was not the insurance but the demand. Your
plans for insurance would not fix that problem.
I would also want to make sure doctors are paid well... which could be
considered another plan. And to be fair Sander's plan does not address
this well. I can understand why -- to tie in not abusing those in
medical care the way the insurance companies do does mean we might have
to pay more... but don't you want your medical professionals to be paid
well?
Post by Mattb
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
What insurance does he have?
Do not know... but he is not fairly wealthy. I am sure he has lower end
insurance.
What do you consider wealthy?
Basing it off of living and how much money I know they have to spend. No
specific dollar figure here.
Post by Mattb
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care. This is
per US and international law. Are you suggesting we all become
"illegals" and ignore the law?
That is why we need to secure the border illegals are a bunch of
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers. Now I'm not talking
about those who enter legally just those that enter as criminals and
law breakers.
Nobody is suggesting we not have secure borders. Your straw man is very,
very tired.
Then you support Trump on this issue. I see.
I do not back his plan to take money away from border security to make a
wall that is not shown to benefit it and leads to other issues. In other
areas, though, I might agree with him. I have no issue with that.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 21:06:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money.
I suggest world peace <eyeroll>.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:19:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money.
I suggest world peace <eyeroll>.
If you have a plan for it I would love to see it! But back to the
topic... those who have universal / single payer health care have better
outcomes and lower costs.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
-----
Mortality amenable to healthcare is a measure of the rates of death
considered preventable by timely and effective care. While the health
care system might not be expected to prevent death in all instances,
differences in amendable mortality indicate how effectively health care
is delivered. The Healthcare Access and Quality (HAQ) Index is based on
amenable mortality and uses age-standardized, risk-standardized
mortality rates for 32 causes that timely and effective health care
could potentially prevent. Based on data from the Global Burden of
Disease Study, the HAQ Index is scaled from 0 to 100: lower scores
indicate high mortality rates for causes amenable to health care, while
higher scores indicate lower mortality rates and thus better quality of
and access to health care. The U.S. ranks last among comparable
countries on the HAQ index with a score of 88.7.
...
Premature deaths are measured in Years of Life Lost (YLL), which is an
alternative to overall mortality rate. It is measured by adding together
the total number of years that people who died before an specified age
(e.g. 70) would have lived if they had lived to that age. For example, a
person who dies at age 45 would have a YLL of 25. As a measure, it
provides more weights to deaths at younger ages. The U.S. and comparable
OECD countries have made progress in reducing YLL’s over the last 25
years (down 23% and 42% respectively), although the U.S. continues to
trail comparable countries by a significant margin (12,282 v. 7,764 YLLs
in 2017).
-----

More can be shown if you need it. We pay more to get less. Why would
ANYONE want that... other than our current system funds wealthy
corporations?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 00:47:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
...
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
   I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price.  That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money.
I suggest world peace <eyeroll>.
If you have a plan for it I would love to see it! But back to the
topic... those who have universal / single payer health care have better
outcomes and lower costs.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
Snit
2019-08-03 01:14:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
...
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
   I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price.  That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money.
I suggest world peace <eyeroll>.
If you have a plan for it I would love to see it! But back to the
topic... those who have universal / single payer health care have
better outcomes and lower costs.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
You just LOVE to preach correlation equals causation.
You really should learn what that phrase means before you keep using it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 01:25:54 UTC
Permalink
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 00:45:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money.
I suggest world peace
Then this one's for you.
http://whirledpeasband.com/gallery/
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 00:57:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money.
I suggest world peace
Then this one's for you.
http://whirledpeasband.com/gallery/
Hehe ;)
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:56:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money. The fact you argue against
this is weird in my view.
Yet you do not say how that will be done.
Post by Snit
Why not seek to be able to see any doctor, go to any facility, have
better outcomes, and pay less than you do now? What possible issue could
there be with that?
Obama promised that with Obamacare and it was a total lie. With the
deductibles and co-pays some people can't afford to use it.
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Do they? I've never had any problems.
But many do. And he is fairly wealthy, so I am sure he has decent
insurance.
Then maybe the problem was not the insurance but the demand. Your
plans for insurance would not fix that problem.
I would also want to make sure doctors are paid well... which could be
considered another plan. And to be fair Sander's plan does not address
this well. I can understand why -- to tie in not abusing those in
medical care the way the insurance companies do does mean we might have
to pay more... but don't you want your medical professionals to be paid
well?
More cost and no way to pay for it. What do you believe your
program would cost a year?
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
What insurance does he have?
Do not know... but he is not fairly wealthy. I am sure he has lower end
insurance.
What do you consider wealthy?
Basing it off of living and how much money I know they have to spend. No
specific dollar figure here.
What can you do to get at peoples saving? Say if they have 10
million in the bank?
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care. This is
per US and international law. Are you suggesting we all become
"illegals" and ignore the law?
That is why we need to secure the border illegals are a bunch of
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers. Now I'm not talking
about those who enter legally just those that enter as criminals and
law breakers.
Nobody is suggesting we not have secure borders. Your straw man is very,
very tired.
Then you support Trump on this issue. I see.
I do not back his plan to take money away from border security to make a
wall that is not shown to benefit it and leads to other issues. In other
areas, though, I might agree with him. I have no issue with that.
Where has Trump said he wanted to take away from border security. As
I have seen he has added to it.
Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-02 23:03:58 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:56:11 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; Mattb
<***@gmail.com> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@4ax.com>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:57:55 -0700, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 1:37 PM, Mattb wrote: ...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That does
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ not bode well for what you suggest.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I suggest we get better care for less money. The fact you argue against
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ this is weird in my view.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Yet you do not say how that will be done.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Why not seek to be able to see any doctor, go to any facility, have
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ better outcomes, and pay less than you do now? What possible issue
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ could there be with that?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Obama promised that with Obamacare and it was a total lie. With the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ deductibles and co-pays some people can't afford to use it.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Also would need to look into the delays some of these other countries
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ have giving services.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Do they? I've never had any problems.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ But many do. And he is fairly wealthy, so I am sure he has decent
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ insurance.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Then maybe the problem was not the insurance but the demand. Your plans
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ for insurance would not fix that problem.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I would also want to make sure doctors are paid well... which could be
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ considered another plan. And to be fair Sander's plan does not address
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ this well. I can understand why -- to tie in not abusing those in
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ medical care the way the insurance companies do does mean we might have
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ to pay more... but don't you want your medical professionals to be paid
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ well?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ More cost and no way to pay for it. What do you believe your program
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ would cost a year?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ What insurance does he have?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Do not know... but he is not fairly wealthy. I am sure he has lower end
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ insurance.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ What do you consider wealthy?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Basing it off of living and how much money I know they have to spend. No
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ specific dollar figure here.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ What can you do to get at peoples saving? Say if they have 10 million
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ in the bank?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care. This is
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ per US and international law. Are you suggesting we all become
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ "illegals" and ignore the law?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ That is why we need to secure the border illegals are a bunch of
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ freeloader who think the Americans are suckers. Now I'm not talking
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ about those who enter legally just those that enter as criminals and
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ law breakers.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Nobody is suggesting we not have secure borders. Your straw man is very,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ very tired.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Then you support Trump on this issue. I see.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I do not back his plan to take money away from border security to make a
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wall that is not shown to benefit it and leads to other issues. In
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ other areas, though, I might agree with him. I have no issue with that.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Where has Trump said he wanted to take away from border security. As I
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ have seen he has added to it.
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not along the canada border, dumbfuck.
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Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:15:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
I have no problems with my insurance or the services I get or what I
pay although since Obamacare it has almost doubled in price. That
does not bode well for what you suggest.
I suggest we get better care for less money. The fact you argue against
this is weird in my view.
Why not seek to be able to see any doctor, go to any facility, have
better outcomes, and pay less than you do now? What possible issue could
there be with that?
Post by Mattb
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Do they? I've never had any problems.
But many do. And he is fairly wealthy, so I am sure he has decent
insurance.
Then maybe the problem was not the insurance but the demand. Your
plans for insurance would not fix that problem.
I would also want to make sure doctors are paid well... which could be
considered another plan. And to be fair Sander's plan does not address
this well. I can understand why -- to tie in not abusing those in
medical care the way the insurance companies do does mean we might have
to pay more... but don't you want your medical professionals to be paid
well?
Post by Mattb
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
What insurance does he have?
Do not know... but he is not fairly wealthy. I am sure he has lower end
insurance.
What do you consider wealthy?
Basing it off of living and how much money I know they have to spend. No
specific dollar figure here.
Post by Mattb
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care. This is
per US and international law. Are you suggesting we all become
"illegals" and ignore the law?
That is why we need to secure the border illegals are a bunch of
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers. Now I'm not talking
about those who enter legally just those that enter as criminals and
law breakers.
Nobody is suggesting we not have secure borders. Your straw man is very,
very tired.
Then you support Trump on this issue. I see.
I do not back his plan to take money away from border security to make a
wall that is not shown to benefit it and leads to other issues. In other
areas, though, I might agree with him. I have no issue with that.
Being able to see any doctor at anytime will lower the quality of health
care. Doctors like the money they make and if you put a cap on that you
will lose good doctors and get schills in place.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:38:53 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office. Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
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Snit
2019-08-02 20:51:40 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office.
Correct only in those who voted for him were Americans.
Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:18:06 UTC
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Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office.
Correct only in those who voted for him were Americans.
Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
So you that didn't need to get the fuck out if you don't consider
yourself American.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 20:53:28 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office. Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
Even Repubs didn't like Trump (many still don't). My take is, we
*needed* a Trump, and I say this as someone who doesn't like him as a
person (I'm a native New Yorker, heard enough about him to last a
lifetime). For the most part, he's actually done better than I expected
(I initially thought his running was a joke). Being a native NY'er, his
rough, callous language doesn't bother me like it does a lot of
snowflakes... that, as opposed to the smooth, polished lies of a Clinton
or an Obama. Lies are lies in my book <shrug>.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:59:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office. Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
Even Repubs didn't like Trump (many still don't). My take is, we
*needed* a Trump,
We did not and do not need someone so dishonest and incompetent and
bigoted in the White House.
Post by Steve Carroll
and I say this as someone who doesn't like him as a
person (I'm a native New Yorker, heard enough about him to last a
lifetime). For the most part, he's actually done better than I expected
(I initially thought his running was a joke). Being a native NY'er, his
rough, callous language doesn't bother me like it does a lot of
snowflakes... that, as opposed to the smooth, polished lies of a Clinton
or an Obama. Lies are lies in my book <shrug>.
Notice how you say those who speak out about his open bigotry are
"snowflakes".
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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:19:37 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office. Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
Even Repubs didn't like Trump (many still don't). My take is, we
*needed* a Trump,
We did not and do not need someone so dishonest and incompetent and
bigoted in the White House.
You are quick to call out a lot of thing you have yet to back up.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
and I say this as someone who doesn't like him as a
person (I'm a native New Yorker, heard enough about him to last a
lifetime). For the most part, he's actually done better than I expected
(I initially thought his running was a joke). Being a native NY'er, his
rough, callous language doesn't bother me like it does a lot of
snowflakes... that, as opposed to the smooth, polished lies of a Clinton
or an Obama. Lies are lies in my book <shrug>.
Notice how you say those who speak out about his open bigotry are
"snowflakes".
Oh you were snowflakes the day he won.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:19:40 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office. Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
Even Repubs didn't like Trump (many still don't). My take is, we
*needed* a Trump,
Fascist.
Post by Steve Carroll
and I say this as someone who doesn't like him as a
person (I'm a native New Yorker, heard enough about him to last a
lifetime). For the most part, he's actually done better than I expected
(I initially thought his running was a joke). Being a native NY'er, his
rough, callous language doesn't bother me like it does a lot of
snowflakes... that, as opposed to the smooth, polished lies of a Clinton
or an Obama. Lies are lies in my book <shrug>.
Trump lies far more than Clinton or Obama ever did. More than both of the
Clintons *and* Obama *combined*.

And he's liable to start a Holocaust, or World War III, or both.
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Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:20:08 UTC
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In article <qi29db$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Post by Nadegda
Trump lies far more than Clinton or Obama ever did. More than both of the
Clintons *and* Obama *combined*.
Proof kook?
Post by Nadegda
And he's liable to start a Holocaust, or World War III, or both.
Foil hat time for you.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:17:24 UTC
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In article <qi270s$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.
Americans voted Trump into office. Why *shouldn't* people think
Americans are suckers? :(
So what are you? A Russian?
Mattb
2019-08-02 20:45:28 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:51:04 UTC
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Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.

As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.

Oh.

There is no such group. You are making things up again.

To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 20:59:38 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
because they don't exist???
Snit
2019-08-02 21:22:34 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
because they don't exist???
Killing off all people who are against fascism? What?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:10:02 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
because they don't exist???
Killing off all people who are against fascism? What?
Now you are claiming they do exist?

Antifa act like Blackshirts. I am very much against Fascist,
Marxist and socialist as well as those that support pure capitalism.
Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-02 22:15:06 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:10:02 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; Mattb
<***@gmail.com> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@4ax.com>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 14:22:34 -0700, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wrote:
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 1:59 PM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:04 -0700, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 1:45 PM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:40:47 -0700, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 12:12 PM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:33:57 -0700, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com>
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 10:16 AM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ <***@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/1/2019 11:10 PM, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ How will you pay for all this? Details?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?" Now why might that be?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ push.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ total idiot.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot. F35s
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ depends on who you believe. Liberals ad progressives are funny
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ they put down Law enforcement and the military but are the first to
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ call them if needed and bitch if they don't work fast enough. You want
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ to cut the funds to both but expect the same amount of readiness to
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ emergencies. Liberals and progressives are not logical or even
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ resonable.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Snit has no response.......about as expected.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ well.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how long
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay it's
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ own way.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ things.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ racist is that.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ back your claims. As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ at their views. Oh. There is no such group. You are making things up
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ again. To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ some who are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ but for you to take the pro-fa position is no better.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ because they don't exist???
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Killing off all people who are against fascism? What?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Now you are claiming they do exist?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Antifa act like Blackshirts. I am very much against Fascist, Marxist
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ and socialist as well as those that support pure capitalism.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡

i am wearing a black shirt, but i'm fairly certain that you mention all of this behind gerq's killfile bc you are a fascist racist fucktard.
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THIS SPACE FOR RENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA

"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this
seems to be the new norm in the world. It's spreading like a cancer,
and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil. We need to put an
end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell
everywhere. We need to get these people out of every civilized
country, and there's only one way to do it. IOW, we have to become
like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate)

"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously
unenforced immigration policies is working. We'll deal with the domestic
terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie
terrorists get a foothold in our country too. One need only look at what
they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by
keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)

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"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

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"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode

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"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <***@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <***@news.altopia.com>

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Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
Snit
2019-08-03 00:23:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
because they don't exist???
Killing off all people who are against fascism? What?
Now you are claiming they do exist?
Who they?
Post by Mattb
Antifa act like Blackshirts. I am very much against Fascist,
Marxist and socialist as well as those that support pure capitalism.
Who are you even talking about? Point to their website. Or give a
leader's name. Or... well, something.

Or do you just mean people who are against fascism?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:25:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
because they don't exist???
Killing off all people who are against fascism? What?
Nice try to spin words again. antifag is a terrorist organization.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:24:21 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, trdell12345
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
The if people start killing off all antifa it won't be a crime
because they don't exist???
He ignores the truth.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:23:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC is
right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise. AOC is a
total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the funds for those
wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I also opposed the second Iraq
war as we had not secured Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally
stupid unless forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law enforcement and
the military but are the first to call them if needed and bitch if
they don't work fast enough. You want to cut the funds to both but
expect the same amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries combined. There
is no reason to say we should not use our military to redistribute more
money to the very rich AND say they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their own
way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and see how
long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if it has to pay
it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make up weird
things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM how
racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes to
back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some who
are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but for you
to take the pro-fa position is no better.
He didn't take a pro fa position, you gave it to him. Antifag is a
facist organization.
mixed nuts
2019-08-03 00:04:50 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
Post by Snit
Post by Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:40:47 -0700, Snit
Post by Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:33:57 -0700, Snit
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we
pay for single payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay
for tuition-free state colleges?" (neverminding that
you *did* pay for the latter, in the past), but never
do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people
"right wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a
right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the
policies you push.
To you Snit, it seems anything to the right of that idiot AOC
is right wing. That is sad it leaves no room for compromise.
AOC is a total idiot.
Remember, what "seems" to you is not relevant to reality.
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Post by Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
Now as to your question Democrats also voted for the
funds for those wars in fact Clinton was one of them. I
also opposed the second Iraq war as we had not secured
Afghanistan and fighting 2 wars was totally stupid unless
forced to it. Yes Bush Jr was a total idiot.
F35s depends on who you believe.
Liberals ad progressives are funny they put down Law
enforcement and the military but are the first to call
them if needed and bitch if they don't work fast enough.
You want to cut the funds to both but expect the same
amount of readiness to emergencies. Liberals and
progressives are not logical or even resonable.
Snit has no response.......about as expected.
We put more into our military than the next 10 countries
combined. There is no reason to say we should not use our
military to redistribute more money to the very rich AND say
they can do their job AND back them well.
May be so that is why I agreed with Trump the EU should pay their
own way in NATO. Yet I believe the USA should leave NATO and
see how long the EU would survive in it's socialist policies if
it has to pay it's own way.
And who is calling to cut funding for the police? You just make
up weird things.
Guess you don't pay attention to what liberals want such as the
antifa and Black lives matter,,,,,BTW 'ALL LIVES MATTER' BLM
how racist is that.
More of your crying about your boogieman AOC... but with no quotes
to back your claims.
As far as Antifa, point to their site and let us look at their views.
Oh.
There is no such group. You are making things up again.
To be "anti-fa" is LITERALLY to be against fascism. There are some
who are against fascism who use tactics I find to be abhorrent, but
for you to take the pro-fa position is no better.
He didn't take a pro fa position, you gave it to him. Antifag is a
facist organization.
What's their address? Do they have a website? Do they get government
money like ACORN and NPR because they're a non-profit social services
organization? Are they Russians like the ones that live in Trump tower
or are they ISIS Christians from San Salvador? Do they speak many
languages like the Europeans?
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Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:39:05 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Mattb
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Proof, kook?
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2019-08-02 22:10:42 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:39:05 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Mattb
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Proof, kook?
listen to her or read her tweets.

She is a total idiot.
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2019-08-02 22:16:53 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:10:42 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; Mattb
<***@gmail.com> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@4ax.com>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:39:05 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ <***@gmail.invalid> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 16:45:28 -0400, Mattb wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Proof, kook?
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ listen to her or read her tweets.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ She is a total idiot.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡

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2019-08-02 23:26:13 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, trdell12345
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:39:05 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
Post by Mattb
AOC isn't relevant to reality or even needed. She is a racist.
Proof, kook?
listen to her or read her tweets.
She is a total idiot.
Nads won't accept facts, only what MSM tells her.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:46:58 UTC
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  (snip)
  Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
Carroll ran.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:47:39 UTC
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Post by Skeeter
says...
What areas do you mean?
The "open" ones that are traversable.
But you have no named locations, no less a map. Got it... you
have no
clue what you are talking about. Not a surprise.
I lived on the border for years, I know exactly what he's talking
about.
Then you won't have any difficulty naming a location.
I already provided Snit with an article that pointed some out.
What's the big deal with "a location" when the CBP data shows there
are
hundreds of miles of open areas that need to be addressed? That
kind of
'argument' is Snit territory (IOW, goofy).
109.6979753,20457m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!
1s0x86d9f8658e1ee0cd:0xbdbc453fdf458de7!8m2!3d31.3445471!4d-109.5453447
100s of miles of open border.
Great... now can you answer the question of where there are no physical
borders but evidence that having one would have a significant impact on
illegal immigration.
Where the CBP says so.
But it is clear you have no idea and want others to do research to help
you back your point. Got it.
Carroll ran from this.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 20:48:57 UTC
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(snip)
The you want them all canceled?
I want you to say how we can pay. You have no answer.
      You claim it is happening now so how is it being paid for
now?
Debt. Massive debt.
But it's not so bad that we should afford anyone coming over the
border
free legal representation, medical care, food, housing in
hotel/motels,
etc.
Key word: Anyone. Nope. I disagree with your proposal there.
That does not mean, of course, we should not understand the value of
bringing in people of working class and younger. With our aging
population if we do not we are in big trouble. Nor do I think we
should
give up our values nor break US nor international law and turn away
those rightfully seeking asylum. But your view of "Anyone" -- no. I
cannot join you there.
We should fix our immigration system so decisions do not take
decades --
would any right winger accept a 20 year waiting period on guns? -- but
to just do as you say and let "Anyone" in. No.
    Democrats don't want it fixed.
This is you speaking for others without evidence. Please provide such
evidence.
   OK  Chicago.   Dems never fixed it and they run the city for
decades.
They have not run the country... and those in cities have the least
representational power (or I should say those in states with higher
populations). You blame the impacts on those with the least power for
what those with the most power have contributed to so heavily.
Carroll snipped and ran from this.
  BTW you need to look in the mirror how many times have you referred
to me as 'right wing' and implied all 'right wing' think exactly
alike.  Snit a progressive hypocrite.
Not all right wingers need think alike -- that is an idea you have
dropped in the conversation. And your insane fear of AOC and your
screaming "socialism" incoherently places you firmly in the extreme
right wing whacko camp.
They need it messed up for the 2020
election.  So what if people are hurt as long as the Dems win a
election.  They've done that to Blacks for decades didn't fix the
problem just put a little money on the problem.
Again, claims you make with no support.
    You don't support shit for all the claims you make.  Chicago is a
good example of how Democrats have used the minorities for decades.
...
See how you feel the need to lash out and lie. You have not even
answered how you think we can keep affording to pay more for less in
terms of health care.
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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 20:55:18 UTC
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Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.

Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...

PLONK!

<snicker>
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Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 21:04:13 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
but only on the points where it makes the least sense. We see poll after
poll, story after story from left leaning sources that supposedly
"prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're not) have
'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be
hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:16:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
but only on the points where it makes the least sense.
Excellent summary of where we differ in views: You claim it makes the
"least sense" to back investing in the future and helping those truly in
need instead of funding the wealthy.

We say it makes the least sense to do as you wish, fund the wealthy no
matter the cost and refuse to back investments into the future and
helping those truly in need because we cannot afford it.

Thank you... I think you helped define the difference in world view
well... though you left out your victim mentality and you demands for
special entitlements as you insist others do not deserve equal rights
based at least in part on the color of their kind.
Post by Steve Carroll
We see poll after
poll, story after story from left leaning sources that supposedly
"prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're not) have
'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be
hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 21:21:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
but only on the points where it makes the least sense.
Excellent summary of where we differ in views: You claim it makes the
"least sense" to back investing in the future and helping those truly in
need instead of funding the wealthy.
You're actually arguing that all these Dems in charge of these toilets
(cities), who ran on that flavor of Koolaid, made good on their BS?
I repeat: I've seen this movie, no thanks!
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
We see poll after
poll, story after story from left leaning sources that supposedly
"prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're not) have
'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be
hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:27:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
but only on the points where it makes the least sense.
Excellent summary of where we differ in views: You claim it makes the "least sense" to back investing in the future and helping those truly in need instead of funding the wealthy.
We say it makes the least sense to do as you wish, fund the wealthy no matter the cost and refuse to back investments into the future and helping those truly in need because we cannot afford it.
Thank you... I think you helped define the difference in world view well... though you left out your victim mentality and you demands for special entitlements as you insist others do not deserve equal rights based at least in part on the color of their kind.
Carroll snipped and ran from this. I think once he saw what he had
written it occurred to him he did not exactly place his views in the
best light. But it is an HONEST light... and that he will run from like
a cockroach.
Post by Steve Carroll
You're actually arguing that all these Dems in charge of these toilets
(cities), who ran on that flavor of Koolaid, made good on their BS?
I repeat: I've seen this movie, no thanks!
I said nothing of those any city.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Steve Carroll
We see poll after
poll, story after story from left leaning sources that supposedly
"prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're not) have
'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be
hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 22:02:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
but only on the points where it makes the least sense.
Excellent summary of where we differ in views: You claim it makes the "least sense" to back investing in the future and helping those truly in need instead of funding the wealthy.
We say it makes the least sense to do as you wish, fund the wealthy no matter the cost and refuse to back investments into the future and helping those truly in need because we cannot afford it.
Thank you... I think you helped define the difference in world view well... though you left out your victim mentality and you demands for special entitlements as you insist others do not deserve equal rights based at least in part on the color of their kind.
Carroll snipped and ran from this. I think once he saw what he had
written it occurred to him he did not exactly place his views in the
best light. But it is an HONEST light... and that he will run from like
a cockroach.
Post by Steve Carroll
You're actually arguing that all these Dems in charge of these toilets
(cities), who ran on that flavor of Koolaid, made good on their BS?
I repeat: I've seen this movie, no thanks!
I said nothing of those any city.
Awk, awk awk!

Was that supposed to make sense (hey, you're doing this to "others")?

*I* am talking about those cities, the Dem failures after promising the
moon. You're just loopy... this "Nads" character is pretty detached, too.

Reasonable person: People are having to choose between "mommy's
basement" and homelessness.

Nads: The solution is obvious, you fascist... let in as many people who
have less than a high school education and can't speak the language as
possible and pay for their existence.

Reasonable person: Wait a minute... how does that work? The jobs they
get will guarantee they'll be no better than the basement dwellers and
it will only take jobs away from them.

Nads: You ignorant scum, we raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour, this
will mean more people will spend and there will be more jobs!

Reasonable person: But that will just drive up *all* wages.

Nads: Exactly! And everyone will be rich! This is Utopia, you fool, line
up or start swimming.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Steve Carroll
We see poll after
poll, story after story from left leaning sources that supposedly
"prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're not) have
'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be
hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛
2019-08-02 22:05:27 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:02:12 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; Steve Carroll
<"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> determined that the following was of
great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<qi2bt4$pai$***@dont-email.me>:

✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 2019-08-02, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 2:21 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 2019-08-02, Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 8/2/19 2:04 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On 2019-08-02, Nadegda <***@gmail.invalid> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:20:18 -0700, Klaus Schutzstaffel wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ especially desperate.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Yep. It gets boring after a while.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ BAM! And there goes another irony meter. Last one *you'll* ever claim,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ but only on the points where it makes the least sense.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Excellent summary of where we differ in views: You claim it makes the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ "least sense" to back investing in the future and helping those truly
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ in need instead of funding the wealthy.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ We say it makes the least sense to do as you wish, fund the wealthy no
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ matter the cost and refuse to back investments into the future and
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ helping those truly in need because we cannot afford it.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Thank you... I think you helped define the difference in world view
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ well... though you left out your victim mentality and you demands for
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ special entitlements as you insist others do not deserve equal rights
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ based at least in part on the color of their kind.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Carroll snipped and ran from this. I think once he saw what he had
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ written it occurred to him he did not exactly place his views in the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ best light. But it is an HONEST light... and that he will run from like
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ a cockroach.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ You're actually arguing that all these Dems in charge of these toilets
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ (cities), who ran on that flavor of Koolaid, made good on their BS? I
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ repeat: I've seen this movie, no thanks!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I said nothing of those any city.
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Awk, awk awk!
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Was that supposed to make sense (hey, you're doing this to "others")?
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ *I* am talking about those cities, the Dem failures after promising the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ moon. You're just loopy... this "Nads" character is pretty detached,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ too.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Reasonable person: People are having to choose between "mommy's
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ basement" and homelessness.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Nads: The solution is obvious, you fascist... let in as many people who
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ have less than a high school education and can't speak the language as
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ possible and pay for their existence.
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Reasonable person: Wait a minute... how does that work? The jobs they
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ get will guarantee they'll be no better than the basement dwellers and
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ it will only take jobs away from them.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Nads: You ignorant scum, we raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour, this
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ will mean more people will spend and there will be more jobs!
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Reasonable person: But that will just drive up *all* wages.
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✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Nads: Exactly! And everyone will be rich! This is Utopia, you fool, line
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ up or start swimming.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ We see poll after poll, story after story from left leaning sources that
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ supposedly "prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ not) have 'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ can't be hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡

and how many cities have you lived in?

and why were you there in the first place?
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Snit
2019-08-02 23:48:10 UTC
Permalink
On 8/2/19 3:02 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel
like I'm in an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what
amounts to 'big gov't' but only on the points where it makes
the least sense.
Excellent summary of where we differ in views: You claim it
makes the "least sense" to back investing in the future and
helping those truly in need instead of funding the wealthy.
Carroll has no comment on this.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
We say it makes the least sense to do as you wish, fund the
wealthy no matter the cost and refuse to back investments into
the future and helping those truly in need because we cannot
afford it.
Carroll has no comment on this.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Thank you... I think you helped define the difference in world
view well... though you left out your victim mentality and you
demands for special entitlements as you insist others do not
deserve equal rights based at least in part on the color of
their kind.
Carroll has no comment on this.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Carroll snipped and ran from this. I think once he saw what he had
written it occurred to him he did not exactly place his views in
the best light. But it is an HONEST light... and that he will run
from like a cockroach.
Post by Steve Carroll
You're actually arguing that all these Dems in charge of these
toilets (cities), who ran on that flavor of Koolaid, made good on
their BS? I repeat: I've seen this movie, no thanks!
I said nothing of those any city.
Awk, awk awk!
Was that supposed to make sense (hey, you're doing this to
"others")?
And below Carroll blames those in the cities, the people who generally
have the LEAST representational power (they live in higher populated
states). The whole point is that, sure, those with the least
representational power end up suffering -- we have a system akin to
affirmative action where we give massive benefits to those living in
less populated states.

Carroll blames this on the Democrats even though it is generally the
Democrats who want to move to more equality in representation (such as
getting rid of the electoral college). Carroll is blaming those with
have the least power for impacts largely caused by those who have the most.

----

Then Carroll goes into la-la land and says it is "promising the moon" to
say we should be investing in the future and helping those truly in need
instead of funding the wealthy, instead of doing the exact opposite as
we do now (and as right wingers promote). Given the lack of
representation the people have it certainly will not be easy to get, but
that does not mean the plan itself would be "promising the moon" -- it
would be a far more pragmatic and fair system.
Post by Steve Carroll
*I* am talking about those cities, the Dem failures after promising
the moon. You're just loopy... this "Nads" character is pretty
detached, too.
Reasonable person: People are having to choose between "mommy's
basement" and homelessness.
Largely solved by investing in the future and helping those truly in
need instead of funding the wealthy, as opposed to the exact opposite as
we do now.
Post by Steve Carroll
Nads: The solution is obvious, you fascist... let in as many people
who have less than a high school education and can't speak the
language as possible and pay for their existence.
Can't speak "the" language? What language is that? We have no national
language.

And, yes, bringing in more working age and younger people is a very
reasonable solution to help us deal with our aging population. Those
same people you whine about (profiling them based on race) also tend to
have children at a higher rate ... again mitigating the problem of our
aging population (which bringing with it other issues).

And below you go off crying about "basement dwellers" and babbling about
a $100 / hour minimum wage, and otherwise making a complete ass of
yourself (and do so as you get confused as to whom you are even replying
to).
Post by Steve Carroll
Reasonable person: Wait a minute... how does that work? The jobs
they get will guarantee they'll be no better than the basement
dwellers and it will only take jobs away from them.
Nads: You ignorant scum, we raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour,
this will mean more people will spend and there will be more jobs!
Reasonable person: But that will just drive up *all* wages.
Nads: Exactly! And everyone will be rich! This is Utopia, you fool,
line up or start swimming.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
We see poll after poll, story after story from left leaning
sources that supposedly "prove" that those *calling*
themselves "liberals" (they're not) have 'the plan'. Yet,
anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be hidden
which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:30:48 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi28gd$841$***@dont-email.me>, "Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none
says...
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
LOL! You're killin' me ;) Between you, kensi and Snit I feel like I'm in
an aviary... you guys just keep parroting what amounts to 'big gov't'
but only on the points where it makes the least sense. We see poll after
poll, story after story from left leaning sources that supposedly
"prove" that those *calling* themselves "liberals" (they're not) have
'the plan'. Yet, anyone can do 2 minutes of research that can't be
hidden which shows 'the plan' is BS and has been for decades.
You've been plonked. Her bin is a shithole, not even cold beer in here.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
2019-08-02 21:19:33 UTC
Permalink
<...>
Post by Nadegda
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
PLONK!
<snicker>
Klaus = 10
Nads = zero, zip, nada, zilch, nothing
--
Yours Truly, Sir Gregory

Nadegda, kensi, Fran, Pandora » these are easily
ignored misandrists and anti-American, leftist liars.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:29:47 UTC
Permalink
In article <qi27vm$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:16:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Snip couldn't refute so he tried the diversion tactic again.
He'll usually unleash his fake "worship of the rich" tactic when he's
especially desperate.
Then he must be desperate all the time 'cuz that's all I get... that,
and "you're a racist/bigot/scum/fill-in-the-blank". Mouth foaming."
Yep. It gets boring after a while.
BAM! And there goes another irony meter.
Last one *you'll* ever claim, Boring McStuckRecord, because ...
PLONK!
<snicker>
And Nads runs from another. She runs a lot.
Mattb
2019-08-02 21:02:09 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:25:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:07:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
Liberals are very racist that is just a fact. You show racism
often.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:24:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
Liberals are very racist that is just a fact. You show racism
often.
You claim it is a "fact" but offer zero evidence. This is you just
lashing out and trying to put me on the defensive. Not biting. If you
could have backed your point you would have. It is not that there are no
racists among, say, Democrats, but the liberal worldview in general is
about equal rights, the opposite of what we see with racism.

You simply are looking for attention.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 01:04:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
Liberals are very racist that is just a fact. You show racism
often.
You claim it is a "fact" but offer zero evidence.
Every time I see a attack on white people it is racism. Not all
whites are the same.
Post by Snit
This is you just
lashing out and trying to put me on the defensive. Not biting. If you
could have backed your point you would have. It is not that there are no
racists among, say, Democrats, but the liberal worldview in general is
about equal rights, the opposite of what we see with racism.
Liberals are very racist and look to use racism as a tool.
Post by Snit
You simply are looking for attention.
Snit
2019-08-03 01:31:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:40:30 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
You're confusing that term with reality, color has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. That you guys reduce everything to color just
highlights the fact that you aren't willing to address reality. Sure,
there's racism, all over the world by people of every color, but that
doesn't mean it sits at the root of every issue.
Liberals are very racist.
See: you deny being far right but then show yourself to make unsupported
claims consistent with those someone on the far right would.
Liberals are very racist that is just a fact. You show racism
often.
You claim it is a "fact" but offer zero evidence.
Every time I see a attack on white people it is racism. Not all
whites are the same.
Can you point to some of these attacks? I would not support attacking
white people either!
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
This is you just
lashing out and trying to put me on the defensive. Not biting. If you
could have backed your point you would have. It is not that there are no
racists among, say, Democrats, but the liberal worldview in general is
about equal rights, the opposite of what we see with racism.
Liberals are very racist and look to use racism as a tool.
I welcome support. You surprised me by actually answering a question
about accepting a health care system with better outcomes and lower
costs -- you said even in principle you would not. Maybe you will
surprise me and actually offer some evidence here.

I doubt it.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
You simply are looking for attention.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:06:28 UTC
Permalink
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
Here is more info on it you will run from and insist you never saw:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.

Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.

Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:17:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
No you did not Details.........not generalities.
Post by Snit
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 23:37:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
No you did not Details.........not generalities.
Post by Snit
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
It's a subscription link so...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
One reason for the transfer he's whining about has to to with the tech
boom and pensions being replaced with investing in the stock market. The
market is largely responsible for the staggering number of millionaires
we now have (something like 5% of the population). Granted, a million
isn't worth as much today as it was in 1980 but it's nothing to sneeze
at. The middle class is shrinking... and some of that loss is due to
them becoming richer. As you'd expect, the lower income areas are in
places like California and along the southern border in Texas, New
Mexico and Arizona... as this article shows:

<https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/06/the-american-middle-class-is-stable-in-size-but-losing-ground-financially-to-upper-income-families/

In any event, it's not exactly news that investment income is more
lucrative than busting your ass. The people taking those risks are also
the ones that lose the most when things tank. Snit isn't thinking about
that aspect. Tax investment income... see where that gets you <shrug>.
Oh, wait, we already know... job growth during the Obama administration
was built on low wage, part time jobs and a *lot* of gov't jobs. No thanks!
I prefer actual growth as opposed to having to prop up the dollar. When
you stop manufacturing stuff, you lose, in too many ways to count. Big
gov't is bullsh*t, it always has been. Wait until this nightmare hits at
full speed:

<https://www.ssa.gov/history/ratios.html>

It's probably now down to 2.5 to 1, that seem sustainable to you?
Better question: Does it seem *sane*?
Mattb
2019-08-02 23:50:09 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:37:54 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
No you did not Details.........not generalities.
Post by Snit
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
It's a subscription link so...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
One reason for the transfer he's whining about has to to with the tech
boom and pensions being replaced with investing in the stock market. The
market is largely responsible for the staggering number of millionaires
we now have (something like 5% of the population). Granted, a million
isn't worth as much today as it was in 1980 but it's nothing to sneeze
at. The middle class is shrinking... and some of that loss is due to
them becoming richer. As you'd expect, the lower income areas are in
places like California and along the southern border in Texas, New
<https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/06/the-american-middle-class-is-stable-in-size-but-losing-ground-financially-to-upper-income-families/
In any event, it's not exactly news that investment income is more
lucrative than busting your ass. The people taking those risks are also
the ones that lose the most when things tank. Snit isn't thinking about
that aspect. Tax investment income... see where that gets you <shrug>.
Oh, wait, we already know... job growth during the Obama administration
was built on low wage, part time jobs and a *lot* of gov't jobs. No thanks!
I prefer actual growth as opposed to having to prop up the dollar. When
you stop manufacturing stuff, you lose, in too many ways to count. Big
gov't is bullsh*t, it always has been. Wait until this nightmare hits at
<https://www.ssa.gov/history/ratios.html>
It's probably now down to 2.5 to 1, that seem sustainable to you?
Better question: Does it seem *sane*?
Looks like a mess. Doubt it will exist for my kids to use but I am
hoping they won't have need of it.
Snit
2019-08-02 23:51:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
No you did not Details.........not generalities.
Post by Snit
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
It's a subscription link so...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
One reason for the transfer he's whining about has to to with the tech
boom and pensions being replaced with investing in the stock market. The
market is largely responsible for the staggering number of millionaires
we now have (something like 5% of the population). Granted, a million
isn't worth as much today as it was in 1980 but it's nothing to sneeze
at. The middle class is shrinking... and some of that loss is due to
them becoming richer. As you'd expect, the lower income areas are in
places like California and along the southern border in Texas, New
<https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/06/the-american-middle-class-is-stable-in-size-but-losing-ground-financially-to-upper-income-families/
In any event, it's not exactly news that investment income is more
lucrative than busting your ass. The people taking those risks are also
the ones that lose the most when things tank. Snit isn't thinking about
that aspect. Tax investment income... see where that gets you <shrug>.
Oh, wait, we already know... job growth during the Obama administration
was built on low wage, part time jobs and a *lot* of gov't jobs. No thanks!
I prefer actual growth as opposed to having to prop up the dollar. When
you stop manufacturing stuff, you lose, in too many ways to count. Big
gov't is bullsh*t, it always has been. Wait until this nightmare hits at
<https://www.ssa.gov/history/ratios.html>
It's probably now down to 2.5 to 1, that seem sustainable to you?
Better question: Does it seem *sane*?
You ignore how we as a society invest in the rich instead of investing
in the future and helping those truly in need. That is the right wing
"solution", tied to the trickle down scam, and it has failed... as it
was obvious it would. Even many Democrats bought into it.

A much better plan is to invest in the future of the country and help
those truly in need and NOT invest in the wealthy... this is what is
done throughout much of the industrialized world and while it would be
foolish to suggest they have solved every problem they tend to have
better health care for less, better education, etc.

But right wingers will not do this... to do so would mean to no longer
have forced tithing to the rich, and they think everyone should be in
their religion.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:38:33 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, trdell12345
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
No you did not Details.........not generalities.
Post by Snit
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
Nads think you are me.
Mattb
2019-08-02 23:51:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
No you did not Details.........not generalities.
Post by Snit
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
Nads think you are me.
OK I take it you have been me for decades? Nad is losing it I'd say
and can't read headers.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:15:29 UTC
Permalink
On 8/2/19 3:17 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
I do not actively seek to disagree with him but I just described some
specific differences.

...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
Did you look at all? It clearly points to this report:

https://wir2018.wid.world

Check out the "Funding Partners" link for a list of who funds them in
general (I do not know about the specific report):
-----
The World Inequality Database, WID.world, is funded by public and
non-profit institutions. Over the 2010-2020 period, 25% of the budget is
financed by the universities, research centers and statistics offices
hosting WID.world fellows, 19% is provided by the Paris School of
Economics and its partner institutions (in particular the Ecole des
Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales and the Ecole Normale Supérieure),
17% by the Ford Foundation, 16% by a grant from the European Research
Council, 6% by the Agence Nationale pour la Recherche (ANR) of France,
5% by the Sloan Foundation, 4% by the Economic and Social Research
Council and the Department for International Development of the United
Kingdom through an ESRC-DFID joint fund grant, and 2% by the Institute
for New Economic Thinking.
-----
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
Not going to go down every rabbit hole you can dig up, nor write you a
novel to cover all details, but we have covered much of this. The
summary is easy:

We should be funding investments in the future and helping those truly
in need INSTEAD of funding the very rich.

In PRINCIPLE can you agree to this? IN PRINCIPLE, remember... not asking
you about any specific plan or program. IN PRINCIPLE.

I very much back this idea... I have no issue saying it. There is no
trick question here.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 00:46:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
I do not actively seek to disagree with him but I just described some
specific differences.
The only difference is he want to spend more on the border fence.
You agree with Trump.
Post by Snit
...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
https://wir2018.wid.world
Check out the "Funding Partners" link for a list of who funds them in
-----
The World Inequality Database, WID.world, is funded by public and
non-profit institutions. Over the 2010-2020 period, 25% of the budget is
financed by the universities, research centers and statistics offices
hosting WID.world fellows, 19% is provided by the Paris School of
Economics and its partner institutions (in particular the Ecole des
Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales and the Ecole Normale Supérieure),
17% by the Ford Foundation, 16% by a grant from the European Research
Council, 6% by the Agence Nationale pour la Recherche (ANR) of France,
5% by the Sloan Foundation, 4% by the Economic and Social Research
Council and the Department for International Development of the United
Kingdom through an ESRC-DFID joint fund grant, and 2% by the Institute
for New Economic Thinking.
How many of these are left leaning or run by people of the far left?
I see 2 for sure that are.

Like normal you didn't do your homework,
Post by Snit
-----
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
-----
But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
Not going to go down every rabbit hole you can dig up, nor write you a
novel to cover all details, but we have covered much of this. The
We should be funding investments in the future and helping those truly
in need INSTEAD of funding the very rich.
In PRINCIPLE can you agree to this? IN PRINCIPLE, remember... not asking
you about any specific plan or program. IN PRINCIPLE.
I very much back this idea... I have no issue saying it. There is no
trick question here.
How will the government take over these businesses?
Snit
2019-08-03 00:59:03 UTC
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Post by Snit
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Post by Snit
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
Then you agree with Trump.
I do not actively seek to disagree with him but I just described some
specific differences.
The only difference is he want to spend more on the border fence.
Incorrect.
Post by Mattb
You agree with Trump.
In some areas, sure. I do not actively seek not to.
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Post by Snit
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Post by Snit
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
Who did the study? Who paid for the study important facts.
https://wir2018.wid.world
Check out the "Funding Partners" link for a list of who funds them in
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The World Inequality Database, WID.world, is funded by public and
non-profit institutions. Over the 2010-2020 period, 25% of the budget is
financed by the universities, research centers and statistics offices
hosting WID.world fellows, 19% is provided by the Paris School of
Economics and its partner institutions (in particular the Ecole des
Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales and the Ecole Normale Supérieure),
17% by the Ford Foundation, 16% by a grant from the European Research
Council, 6% by the Agence Nationale pour la Recherche (ANR) of France,
5% by the Sloan Foundation, 4% by the Economic and Social Research
Council and the Department for International Development of the United
Kingdom through an ESRC-DFID joint fund grant, and 2% by the Institute
for New Economic Thinking.
How many of these are left leaning or run by people of the far left?
I see 2 for sure that are.
Like normal you didn't do your homework,
As I have noted, you see evidence and just cry and cry and cry to find
ways to discount it. I can show other studies and you would do the same.

The point is you have no counter. The point is my claim has been supported.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
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But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
How can the government stop this?.....details...
Not going to go down every rabbit hole you can dig up, nor write you a
novel to cover all details, but we have covered much of this. The
We should be funding investments in the future and helping those truly
in need INSTEAD of funding the very rich.
In PRINCIPLE can you agree to this? IN PRINCIPLE, remember... not asking
you about any specific plan or program. IN PRINCIPLE.
I very much back this idea... I have no issue saying it. There is no
trick question here.
How will the government take over these businesses?
Nope... though as with how things are now the medical business will be
pretty highly regulated.

But you avoided my question: IN PRINCIPLE can you agree that what I
describe would be a benefit?

No trick question here: I agree it would be.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:38:02 UTC
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Post by Snit
(snip)
Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
Waiting lists are long because so many need these things. It's not like
Americans are the picture of health now, is it?
"Obesity in the United States is a major health issue, resulting in
numerous diseases, specifically increased risk of certain types of
cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, as well as
significant increase in early mortality and economic costs. While many
industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity
rates in the United States are the highest in the world.[1]"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States>
And costs?
"An obese person in the United States incurs an average of $1,429 more
in medical expenses annually. Approximately $147 billion is spent in
added medical expenses per year within the United States. This number is
expected to increase approximately $1.24 billion per year until the year
2030.[2]"
Don't take care of yourself and you have (costly) health issues. Who
knew <eyeroll>?!
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care.
And of course, it makes sense to leave the border, you know, open... so
we can "care" for as many as we can while going broke. Grow a brain!
I disagree with your push for an open border.
The you agree with Trump on the need for a wall and stricter
policies toward illegals? You agree with Trump.
I agree with the Democrats who allocated $1.3B for improved physical
borders and other money for other areas for security. I do not approve
of wanting to take that money away from border security or defense in
order to build a harmful symbol.
As far as going broke, we are the wealthiest nation in the country --
stop redistributing money to the rich and we have plenty to invest in
our future and help those truly in need.
How is all this money and so much being redistributed to the rich???
As described repeatedly.
Details and not just generalities and can you provide data cites not
leftist sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/15/u-s-lawmakers-are-redistributing-income-from-the-poor-to-the-rich-according-to-massive-new-study/
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But today, according to a massive new study on global inequality, those
numbers have nearly reversed: The bottom 50 percent take in only 13
percent of the income pie, while the top 1 percent grab over 20 percent
of the country's income.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
Since 1980, in other words, the U.S. economy has transferred eight
points of national income from the bottom 50 percent to the top 1 percent.
-----
Wash Post is a liberal rag.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:07:19 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:24:11 -0700, Klaus  Schadenfreude
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy
systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our
future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You
have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
Snit will ALWAYS try to turn it around on you to avoid answering. He's
quite the coward that way.
agree  He is a strange one.
I am the one who has said how to pay for what I want -- investments in
the future and helping those truly in need.
I have yet to see a right winger say how we should pay for the worship
of the rich they push. Nor will I. The right wing position is one of
special entitlements, not one of of equal rights or reasoned economics.
It is why the economy tends to do so much better under liberals.
Mattb had no response to this.
Did you ask a question? I do not consider all Democrats to be
liberals. That is a image the liberals would like to make true but
very much not.
Exactly.
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Snit you are a socialist, you no doubt belong to the same group as
that idiot AOC, the Democratic Socialists of America, the problem is
after the socialist get into power they normally become a tyranny. I
mean you already have you version of the SS and Blackshirts in the
antifa.
Notice how you feel the need to lie because you cannot back your views.

REAL SOCIALISM: The government owns most major industries and there is
little if any private property. This system allows for little personal
freedom and is closely aligned with Authoritarianism (rule by authority).

PLUTOCRACY (CORPORATE “SOCIALISM”): The government works largely for the
benefit of wealthy corporations and the rich. Most major industries are
privately owned (Capitalism), but their costs and risks are heavily
subsidized through lower taxes, direct government subsidies, leniency by
the justice system, and more. With Corporate Socialism the wealthy
become even wealthier at the expense of the lower classes, and the split
between productivity and financial gain is weakened. This system is
defined by the open or de facto rule by the wealthy.

SOCIAL DEMOCRACY (DEMOCRATIC “SOCIALISM”): This government works largely
for the citizens as a whole, investing in infrastructure and the people.
Most major industries are privately owned (Capitalism), but they get few
government handouts and are generally held accountable for their own
risks and costs. With this system the middle class does better, poverty
decreases, and the environment suffers less harm. This system is defined
by the respect and rule of the people themselves.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 22:51:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:24:11 -0700, Klaus  Schadenfreude
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy
systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our
future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You
have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
Snit will ALWAYS try to turn it around on you to avoid answering. He's
quite the coward that way.
agree  He is a strange one.
I am the one who has said how to pay for what I want -- investments in
the future and helping those truly in need.
I have yet to see a right winger say how we should pay for the worship
of the rich they push. Nor will I. The right wing position is one of
special entitlements, not one of of equal rights or reasoned economics.
It is why the economy tends to do so much better under liberals.
Mattb had no response to this.
Did you ask a question? I do not consider all Democrats to be
liberals. That is a image the liberals would like to make true but
very much not.
Exactly.
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Snit you are a socialist, you no doubt belong to the same group as
that idiot AOC, the Democratic Socialists of America, the problem is
after the socialist get into power they normally become a tyranny. I
mean you already have you version of the SS and Blackshirts in the
antifa.
Notice how you feel the need to lie because you cannot back your views.
The antifa's action back me up. History backs me up. The current
goings on in Venezuela backs me up. How both the USSR and Nazism was
started back me up. You really need to read history and keep up on
current affairs.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:05:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:24:11 -0700, Klaus  Schadenfreude
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy
systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our
future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You
have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
Snit will ALWAYS try to turn it around on you to avoid answering. He's
quite the coward that way.
agree  He is a strange one.
I am the one who has said how to pay for what I want -- investments in
the future and helping those truly in need.
I have yet to see a right winger say how we should pay for the worship
of the rich they push. Nor will I. The right wing position is one of
special entitlements, not one of of equal rights or reasoned economics.
It is why the economy tends to do so much better under liberals.
Mattb had no response to this.
Did you ask a question? I do not consider all Democrats to be
liberals. That is a image the liberals would like to make true but
very much not.
Exactly.
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Snit you are a socialist, you no doubt belong to the same group as
that idiot AOC, the Democratic Socialists of America, the problem is
after the socialist get into power they normally become a tyranny. I
mean you already have you version of the SS and Blackshirts in the
antifa.
Notice how you feel the need to lie because you cannot back your views.
The antifa's action back me up. History backs me up. The current
goings on in Venezuela backs me up. How both the USSR and Nazism was
started back me up. You really need to read history and keep up on
current affairs.
The antifa? What the hell is that? Who is that? Point to their website.

Oh. They have none. Because their literally is no such organization.

Now there are many people who are against fascism (antifa) and SOME of
those people do things which are morally repugnant, but that is no
reason to reject being against fascism. I am very much against fascism.
How about you?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 00:38:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:24:11 -0700, Klaus  Schadenfreude
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy
systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our
future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You
have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
Snit will ALWAYS try to turn it around on you to avoid answering. He's
quite the coward that way.
agree  He is a strange one.
I am the one who has said how to pay for what I want -- investments in
the future and helping those truly in need.
I have yet to see a right winger say how we should pay for the worship
of the rich they push. Nor will I. The right wing position is one of
special entitlements, not one of of equal rights or reasoned economics.
It is why the economy tends to do so much better under liberals.
Mattb had no response to this.
Did you ask a question? I do not consider all Democrats to be
liberals. That is a image the liberals would like to make true but
very much not.
Exactly.
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Snit you are a socialist, you no doubt belong to the same group as
that idiot AOC, the Democratic Socialists of America, the problem is
after the socialist get into power they normally become a tyranny. I
mean you already have you version of the SS and Blackshirts in the
antifa.
Notice how you feel the need to lie because you cannot back your views.
The antifa's action back me up. History backs me up. The current
goings on in Venezuela backs me up. How both the USSR and Nazism was
started back me up. You really need to read history and keep up on
current affairs.
The antifa? What the hell is that? Who is that? Point to their website.
You really don't know?
Post by Snit
Oh. They have none. Because their literally is no such organization.
You've lost it

Portland antifa group criticizes Senate resolution labeling them
‘domestic terrorists’
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/07/portland-antifa-group-criticizes-senate-resolution-labeling-them-domestic-terrorists.html
Congressman asks FBI to add Antifa to list of extremist ideologies
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/455752-congressman-asks-fbi-to-add-antifa-to-list-of-extremist-ideologies

There are more.
Post by Snit
Now there are many people who are against fascism (antifa) and SOME of
those people do things which are morally repugnant, but that is no
reason to reject being against fascism. I am very much against fascism.
How about you?
I'm against fasism but 100% for freedom of speech.

Berkeley Antifa Leader Yvette Felarca Appeals Order To Pay College
Republican Leader’s Legal Fees
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/07/10/4180903/

What Is Antifa? Explaining the Movement to Confront the Far Right
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/us/what-is-antifa.html

To say they do not exist is rather ignorant.
Snit
2019-08-03 01:14:19 UTC
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On 8/2/19 5:38 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
I would agree not all Democrats are liberals (nor all liberals
Democrats). For example, Hillary Clinton is hardly a liberal but is a
Democrat, I am liberal but not a Democrat.
Snit you are a socialist, you no doubt belong to the same group as
that idiot AOC, the Democratic Socialists of America, the problem is
after the socialist get into power they normally become a tyranny. I
mean you already have you version of the SS and Blackshirts in the
antifa.
Notice how you feel the need to lie because you cannot back your views.
The antifa's action back me up. History backs me up. The current
goings on in Venezuela backs me up. How both the USSR and Nazism was
started back me up. You really need to read history and keep up on
current affairs.
The antifa? What the hell is that? Who is that? Point to their website.
You really don't know?
I know of no specific group who "The antifa". Correct. Nor, it seems, do
you. Below you show evidence there is only a "loose affiliation" of
people, not really a group at all.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Oh. They have none. Because their literally is no such organization.
You've lost it
So point to "The antifa" organization.
Post by Mattb
Portland antifa group criticizes Senate resolution labeling them
‘domestic terrorists’
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/07/portland-antifa-group-criticizes-senate-resolution-labeling-them-domestic-terrorists.html
Congressman asks FBI to add Antifa to list of extremist ideologies
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/455752-congressman-asks-fbi-to-add-antifa-to-list-of-extremist-ideologies
There are more.
As your articles note, there is no specific group being targeted... it
is targeting anti-fascist dissent.

So who are they? No website even in today's world? I mean AmishAmerica
has a website!

http://amishamerica.com

Are you claiming that there is some group which has made less of a web
presence for itself than the Amish? Are they a secret group? Even the
American Nazi party has a website! So more secret than the American Nazis?

Why not point to their website so we can see what they believe and who
their leaders are?
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Now there are many people who are against fascism (antifa) and SOME of
those people do things which are morally repugnant, but that is no
reason to reject being against fascism. I am very much against fascism.
How about you?
I'm against fasism
So you are "antifa" in that you are against fascism, though of course
this does not suggest you back what others do in the name of being
against fascism, and I can absolutely see why you would not want to be
associated with the name -- I do not either!
Post by Mattb
but 100% for freedom of speech.
All rights have limits... the screaming fire in a crowded theater
example, calling for violence, slander, etc.
Post by Mattb
Berkeley Antifa Leader Yvette Felarca Appeals Order To Pay College
Republican Leader’s Legal Fees
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/07/10/4180903/
What Is Antifa? Explaining the Movement to Confront the Far Right
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/us/what-is-antifa.html
Aha! Finally you get to an article that says what they are!
-----
Known as antifa, a contraction of the word “anti-fascist,” the loose
affiliation of radical activists has surfaced in recent years...
...
It is impossible to know how many people count themselves as members.
Its followers acknowledge that the movement is secretive, without
official leaders and organized into autonomous local cells.
...
Although the Merriam-Webster dictionary says the word “antifa” was first
used in 1946 and was borrowed from a German phrase signaling an
opposition to Nazism, more people began joining the movement in the
United States after the 2016 election of President Trump, to counter the
threat they believed was posed by the so-called alt-right, Mr. Bray said.
-----

Oh. So not really a group. Still, I can see where you would not want to
be associated with such activists... neither do I! And a name is not all
of a movement... it is not like the Nazis were socialists after all.
Post by Mattb
To say they do not exist is rather ignorant.
They exist as a "loose affiliation" of unknown people.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:09:40 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
The pattern is, they don't complain that wrong ideas aren't taught
when the correct ideas don't challenge the profits of giant corporations
(climate change), white supremacy (racial IQs not being different), or
Christian theocracy (evolution).
Excellent and correct list.
Of course it is -- it came from kensi. Remember this: kensi is always
right. Always.
:)
The *one* other thing that right-wingers constantly kvetch about in
connection with universities being sexual assault policies, because they
want it to be easier for privileged young men to rape and to get away
with rape. They're disgusting that way.
And when rich white guys do rape they get lighter sentences because,
geez, nobody wants to harm their future that is so bright! Insane.
Or they even get appointed to the damn Supreme Court. :P
At best they do not care if that happens.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:43:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
The pattern is, they don't complain that wrong ideas aren't taught
when the correct ideas don't challenge the profits of giant corporations
(climate change), white supremacy (racial IQs not being different), or
Christian theocracy (evolution).
Excellent and correct list.
Of course it is -- it came from kensi. Remember this: kensi is always
right. Always.
:)
The *one* other thing that right-wingers constantly kvetch about in
connection with universities being sexual assault policies, because they
want it to be easier for privileged young men to rape and to get away
with rape. They're disgusting that way.
And when rich white guys do rape they get lighter sentences because,
geez, nobody wants to harm their future that is so bright! Insane.
Or they even get appointed to the damn Supreme Court. :P
At best they do not care if that happens.
If he was guilty I would care.
Snit
2019-08-02 21:12:05 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
The Republicans are actively fighting against the US having a
representative government.
Right, because
Voter suppression.
Gerrymandering.
SPNAK!x2
Carroll will run.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:28:41 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other; sending much of it to overseas
tax havens to avoid contributing back into the system that has benefited
them so much; and parking the rest in real estate they don't use, in the
process driving up the prices of land and housing until the working class
can't afford homeownership or, increasingly, even to rent, leaving them to
choose between "mommy's basement" and homelessness.
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 21:47:21 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other;
And nothing ever comes of it, right? No jobs are ever created, no gov't
contracts are ever doled out?
sending much of it to overseas
tax havens to avoid contributing back into the system that has benefited
them so much
... is something we *know* even "liberal" tech companies will do when
the gov't takes too big a bite.
and parking the rest in real estate they don't use,
So... like the $$ you envision sitting in a vault, this land never get
used. LOL! YOu know what doesn't get used? The many thousands of
building sittings in Dem run cities like Baltimore.
in the
process driving up the prices of land and housing until the working class
can't afford homeownership or, increasingly, even to rent, leaving them to
choose between "mommy's basement" and homelessness.
Gee, you can't mean giant, uber-liberal cities like New York, or 'cool'
high-tech ("liberal") cities like San Francisco, can you?

But thanks for making my point as to why I'm not interested in seeing
that same movie again.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:00:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other;
And nothing ever comes of it, right? No jobs are ever created, no gov't
contracts are ever doled out?
sending much of it to overseas
tax havens to avoid contributing back into the system that has benefited
them so much
.... is something we *know* even "liberal" tech companies will do when
the gov't takes too big a bite.
and parking the rest in real estate they don't use,
So... like the $$ you envision sitting in a vault, this land never get
used. LOL! YOu know what doesn't get used? The many thousands of
building sittings in Dem run cities like Baltimore.
in the
process driving up the prices of land and housing until the working class
can't afford homeownership or, increasingly, even to rent, leaving them to
choose between "mommy's basement" and homelessness.
Gee, you can't mean giant, uber-liberal cities like New York, or 'cool'
high-tech ("liberal") cities like San Francisco, can you?
But thanks for making my point as to why I'm not interested in seeing
that same movie again.
When we invest in the rich we get back something like $0.70 on the
dollar. When we invest in the poor we get back something like $1.40 on
the dollar.

Which do you think, Carroll, is the better investment?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:45:19 UTC
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In article <qi29u9$so3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@gmail.invalid
says...
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
And *again*, why don't you explain why you (obviously) believe that
'the rich' have all their wealth sitting around in a vault somewhere.
Oh, it's *much* worse than that. They are constantly shuffling it among
themselves by "investing" in each other; sending much of it to overseas
tax havens to avoid contributing back into the system that has benefited
them so much; and parking the rest in real estate they don't use, in the
process driving up the prices of land and housing until the working class
can't afford homeownership or, increasingly, even to rent, leaving them to
choose between "mommy's basement" and homelessness.
Just because you flip burgers doesn't give you the right to hate people
who actually worked hard and made money.
Nadegda
2019-08-02 21:32:30 UTC
Permalink
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
The problem is after we fascists get into power we normally become a
tyranny. I mean we already have our version of the SS and Blackshirts in
the Proud Boys.
FTFY.
--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
Mattb
2019-08-02 23:42:54 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-02 23:52:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
Snit
2019-08-03 00:26:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...

Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 00:34:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you. LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:55:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so? I know I need
no contract, and I know such a contract failed with you -- so you are
right (and grossly off topic, which is your point) in saying the
contract had little value.
Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site, I was talking to
someone recently as they spoke of playing around and giving a
"gibberish" answer. Made me think of Wally and you and Sandman as you
pretended to understand the meaning of some auto-generated text which
was designed to be corporate mumbo-jumbo similar to Lorem Ipsum. Sure,
it had real PHRASES in it, but it was not even like your flood bot in
having coherent SENTENCES. It was designed to be gibberish.

Wally insisted he understood this gibberish and you and Sandman jumped
in to defend his insanity.

In any case, I did a search to find an example of the gibberish -- I
think my search was: DOOM LOOP GIBBERISH or something like that.

Sandman's lies came up! His stupid trolling site where he defends
ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH, text with real words and phrases but lacking any
actual meaning at even the sentence level, no less the paragraph, and we
had a big laugh over it. He STILL has that crap posted... as if he is
proud of how humiliated you guys were when you figured out the text I
was posting truly had NO coherent meaning but you were too ashamed to
admit it.

I rarely look back at those old debates... but, damn, that was funny.
Had about a dozen people looking at his site laughing at how deeply
absurd and stupid his "defense" was. People were reading the gibberish
he quoted out loud (most of the people there are in a theater group...
they can be a bit dramatic -- go figure).

Was a lot of fun. Guess I have the trolling by the two of you and Wally
to thank for that.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 01:04:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so?
The idea that you're being honest is silly... and you know it.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site,
How does it work that *everyone else* is "dishonest" but *you're* OK?
Snit
2019-08-03 01:33:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements".  You're funny, Snit ;)
    He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual.  Snit lacks
all
the characteristics of having any honor.
Ask Snit about his "honesty and honor" contract. I'm serious ;)
It was foolish to think you would join me in being honest and
honorable... and should have guessed even years later you would lie
about your efforts. And here it comes in 3... 2... 1...
Still, I would love to see you join me in being honest and honorable.
The irony of having to 'contract in' to be "honest and honorable" is
*still* lost on you.
Is there a better way to get you to join me in being so? I know I need
no contract, and I know such a contract failed with you -- so you are
right (and grossly off topic, which is your point) in saying the
contract had little value.
Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! Why don't you talk about the people that took
you up of this (out of frustration, hoping they could stave off some of
your trolling). IIRC, Sandman might have some of this stuff on his site.
Speaking of Sandman and his dishonest trolling site, I was talking to
someone recently as they spoke of playing around and giving a
"gibberish" answer. Made me think of Wally and you and Sandman as you
pretended to understand the meaning of some auto-generated text which
was designed to be corporate mumbo-jumbo similar to Lorem Ipsum. Sure,
it had real PHRASES in it, but it was not even like your flood bot in
having coherent SENTENCES. It was designed to be gibberish.
Wally insisted he understood this gibberish and you and Sandman jumped
in to defend his insanity.
In any case, I did a search to find an example of the gibberish -- I
think my search was: DOOM LOOP GIBBERISH or something like that.
Sandman's lies came up! His stupid trolling site where he defends
ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH, text with real words and phrases but lacking any
actual meaning at even the sentence level, no less the paragraph, and we
had a big laugh over it. He STILL has that crap posted... as if he is
proud of how humiliated you guys were when you figured out the text I
was posting truly had NO coherent meaning but you were too ashamed to
admit it.
I rarely look back at those old debates... but, damn, that was funny.
Had about a dozen people looking at his site laughing at how deeply
absurd and stupid his "defense" was. People were reading the gibberish
he quoted out loud (most of the people there are in a theater group...
they can be a bit dramatic -- go figure).
Was a lot of fun. Guess I have the trolling by the two of you and Wally
to thank for that.
Carroll snipped this and talked about how "*everyone else* is
"dishonest" but" me... a claim of his I strongly reject! But it is good
to see Carroll admit why he thinks anyone who is honest is me... he
thinks I am the ONLY honest person in the world.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:03:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
At least I do not run around making such insults in a failed effort to
feel better about myself. I wish you well.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 00:48:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
At least I do not run around making such insults in a failed effort to
feel better about myself. I wish you well.
Snit what is your honesty and honor contract??
Snit
2019-08-03 01:18:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:27 -0000 (UTC), Steve Carroll <"Steve
When you consider the amount of liberty we have compared to other
countries (that can't defend themselves to the extent we can), it's a
no-brainer (not a Utopian one, a real world one).
That's easy for someone with white privilege to say.
And in the case of Carroll, someone with white privilege who demands
special entitlements.
A person who lives on a gov't paycheck whining about "others"
regarding "entitlements". You're funny, Snit ;)
He is amusing but also he is a very sad individual. Snit lacks all
the characteristics of having any honor.
At least I do not run around making such insults in a failed effort to
feel better about myself. I wish you well.
Snit what is your honesty and honor contract??
I do not recall details, but it was something I suggested and I think
Sandman wrote up MANY years ago that I naively pushed to try to get
Carroll and Sandman (and maybe some others) to join me in being honest
and honorable, as if people who are not, such as them, would suddenly
become so merely because they said they agreed to.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-02 23:44:49 UTC
Permalink
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.

Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
Skeeter
2019-08-02 23:55:03 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, trdell12345
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I was talking to Snip.
%
2019-08-02 23:59:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I was talking to Snip.
duck lake
Mattb
2019-08-03 00:04:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Skeeter
@gmail.com says...
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I was talking to Snip.
My bad.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:03:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I have no specific plans, but using any of the ones where you pay less
for more, and do not have your money for health care siphoned off by
corporate middlemen, is clearly better.

But there are other ways single payer would be better. Your medical
professionals would be less likely to make mistakes (paperwork would be
streamlined) and you would not have to find a doctor in your "network"
because all doctors would be included in the single payer system.

So why would you not want this?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 00:26:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I have no specific plans, but using any of the ones where you pay less
for more, and do not have your money for health care siphoned off by
corporate middlemen, is clearly better.
You still do not explain how you would accomplish this. Does the
government take over? If so how?
Post by Snit
But there are other ways single payer would be better. Your medical
professionals would be less likely to make mistakes (paperwork would be
streamlined) and you would not have to find a doctor in your "network"
because all doctors would be included in the single payer system.
You believe government paper work would be streamlined? You even done
any business with the government?
Post by Snit
So why would you not want this?
I would have to see the details.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:46:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I have no specific plans, but using any of the ones where you pay less
for more, and do not have your money for health care siphoned off by
corporate middlemen, is clearly better.
You still do not explain how you would accomplish this. Does the
government take over? If so how?
The government is the "single payer" but the medical professional do not
work for the government directly. There is still competition among
medical groups. It works much as it does now EXCEPT we do not have a
middleman corporation siphoning off billions of dollars.

There are MANY devils in the details, and the different countries which
have universal health care handle it differently. I am not tied to any
one specific solution... which means begging me to give you specifics on
a general idea is a bit silly. :)
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
But there are other ways single payer would be better. Your medical
professionals would be less likely to make mistakes (paperwork would be
streamlined) and you would not have to find a doctor in your "network"
because all doctors would be included in the single payer system.
You believe government paper work would be streamlined?
More streamlined than government PLUS Unitedhealth Group PLUS Wellpoint
PLUS Kaiser PLUS Humana PLUS Aetna PLUS Cigna PLUS ...

Yes, I think by definition removing most of those makes things more
streamlined. Seriously, call your doctor and ask them how many different
insurance providers they deal with now. Better yet, ask the folks at the
front desk and ask them how they like dealing with a dozen or so
DIFFERENT sets of rules. Ask at your pharmacist, too.
Post by Mattb
You even done
any business with the government?
Yes... but that is not relevant.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
So why would you not want this?
I would have to see the details.
General principle -- does it seem like a good idea to no longer have
billions of dollars siphoned off by corporations who have a fiscal
responsibility to share holders to work to disallow you service (every
time they say yes they have to be able to justify it not just on medical
grounds but to their shareholders). Does it make sense to have your
doctor and pharmacist and other medical professionals have to deal with
a dozen different set of rules and forms? Does it make sense to you to
support a system we know offers worse outcomes at a higher price?

Don't get me wrong -- I get how there are MANY devils in the details. I
get how such a transition would NOT be easy and would lead to errors. I
get why so many of the Democratic hopefuls want a middle ground solution
where you can have your insurance OR a public option... but that halfway
solution does not solve many of the problems. We still have multiple
smaller groups negotiating with the pharmaceutical companies instead of
one large block where we can get better prices and service, we still
have medical professionals having to follow multiple sets of different
and even conflicting sets of rules.

So in PRINCIPLE, can you see what is appealing about spending less to
get better care? Can you see how this is a likely outcome, and is an
outcome already enjoyed by many around the world?


Side note: I am spending some time here and in other posts giving you a
benefit of the doubt you have shown is foolish... I am taking the time
to explain these things to you. My guess is you will not answer my
questions and will just ask more and more and more until I finally just
toss in the towel where you will claim I ran away not answering your
questions when the reality is you answer almost none and I spend a lot
of time helping you to get the education you are asking for.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Mattb
2019-08-03 01:01:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I have no specific plans, but using any of the ones where you pay less
for more, and do not have your money for health care siphoned off by
corporate middlemen, is clearly better.
You still do not explain how you would accomplish this. Does the
government take over? If so how?
The government is the "single payer" but the medical professional do not
work for the government directly. There is still competition among
medical groups. It works much as it does now EXCEPT we do not have a
middleman corporation siphoning off billions of dollars.
There are MANY devils in the details, and the different countries which
have universal health care handle it differently. I am not tied to any
one specific solution... which means begging me to give you specifics on
a general idea is a bit silly. :)
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
But there are other ways single payer would be better. Your medical
professionals would be less likely to make mistakes (paperwork would be
streamlined) and you would not have to find a doctor in your "network"
because all doctors would be included in the single payer system.
You believe government paper work would be streamlined?
More streamlined than government PLUS Unitedhealth Group PLUS Wellpoint
PLUS Kaiser PLUS Humana PLUS Aetna PLUS Cigna PLUS ...
Yes, I think by definition removing most of those makes things more
streamlined. Seriously, call your doctor and ask them how many different
insurance providers they deal with now. Better yet, ask the folks at the
front desk and ask them how they like dealing with a dozen or so
DIFFERENT sets of rules. Ask at your pharmacist, too.
Post by Mattb
You even done
any business with the government?
Yes... but that is not relevant.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
So why would you not want this?
I would have to see the details.
General principle -- does it seem like a good idea to no longer have
billions of dollars siphoned off by corporations who have a fiscal
responsibility to share holders to work to disallow you service (every
time they say yes they have to be able to justify it not just on medical
grounds but to their shareholders). Does it make sense to have your
doctor and pharmacist and other medical professionals have to deal with
a dozen different set of rules and forms? Does it make sense to you to
support a system we know offers worse outcomes at a higher price?
Don't get me wrong -- I get how there are MANY devils in the details. I
get how such a transition would NOT be easy and would lead to errors. I
get why so many of the Democratic hopefuls want a middle ground solution
where you can have your insurance OR a public option... but that halfway
solution does not solve many of the problems. We still have multiple
smaller groups negotiating with the pharmaceutical companies instead of
one large block where we can get better prices and service, we still
have medical professionals having to follow multiple sets of different
and even conflicting sets of rules.
So in PRINCIPLE, can you see what is appealing about spending less to
get better care? Can you see how this is a likely outcome, and is an
outcome already enjoyed by many around the world?
I have never seen the government run anything well it will become
bloated with bureaucrats.

I will oppose it until I see evidence and details on how it will
work.

Listening to you is like hearing someone say we can go to other
planets and having no idea what that would require. You have no idea
of the complexities here.
Post by Snit
Side note: I am spending some time here and in other posts giving you a
benefit of the doubt you have shown is foolish... I am taking the time
to explain these things to you. My guess is you will not answer my
questions and will just ask more and more and more until I finally just
toss in the towel where you will claim I ran away not answering your
questions when the reality is you answer almost none and I spend a lot
of time helping you to get the education you are asking for.
Most your questions need me to compare your proposal against the
current system and income of the treasury. You have been unable to
supply such.
Snit
2019-08-03 01:29:01 UTC
Permalink
On 8/2/19 6:01 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
You still do not explain how you would accomplish this. Does the
government take over? If so how?
The government is the "single payer" but the medical professional do not
work for the government directly. There is still competition among
medical groups. It works much as it does now EXCEPT we do not have a
middleman corporation siphoning off billions of dollars.
There are MANY devils in the details, and the different countries which
have universal health care handle it differently. I am not tied to any
one specific solution... which means begging me to give you specifics on
a general idea is a bit silly. :)
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
But there are other ways single payer would be better. Your medical
professionals would be less likely to make mistakes (paperwork would be
streamlined) and you would not have to find a doctor in your "network"
because all doctors would be included in the single payer system.
You believe government paper work would be streamlined?
More streamlined than government PLUS Unitedhealth Group PLUS Wellpoint
PLUS Kaiser PLUS Humana PLUS Aetna PLUS Cigna PLUS ...
Yes, I think by definition removing most of those makes things more
streamlined. Seriously, call your doctor and ask them how many different
insurance providers they deal with now. Better yet, ask the folks at the
front desk and ask them how they like dealing with a dozen or so
DIFFERENT sets of rules. Ask at your pharmacist, too.
Do you see why this would be more streamlined?
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
You even done
any business with the government?
Yes... but that is not relevant.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
So why would you not want this?
I would have to see the details.
General principle -- does it seem like a good idea to no longer have
billions of dollars siphoned off by corporations who have a fiscal
responsibility to share holders to work to disallow you service (every
time they say yes they have to be able to justify it not just on medical
grounds but to their shareholders). Does it make sense to have your
doctor and pharmacist and other medical professionals have to deal with
a dozen different set of rules and forms? Does it make sense to you to
support a system we know offers worse outcomes at a higher price?
Don't get me wrong -- I get how there are MANY devils in the details. I
get how such a transition would NOT be easy and would lead to errors. I
get why so many of the Democratic hopefuls want a middle ground solution
where you can have your insurance OR a public option... but that halfway
solution does not solve many of the problems. We still have multiple
smaller groups negotiating with the pharmaceutical companies instead of
one large block where we can get better prices and service, we still
have medical professionals having to follow multiple sets of different
and even conflicting sets of rules.
So in PRINCIPLE, can you see what is appealing about spending less to
get better care? Can you see how this is a likely outcome, and is an
outcome already enjoyed by many around the world?
I have never seen the government run anything well it will become
bloated with bureaucrats.
The government already "runs" some in that it pays for it. Remember, the
government is not running the medical facilities (though as like now
they are heavily regulated).
Post by Mattb
I will oppose it until I see evidence and details on how it will
work.
So no even in principle... even though so many other counties do this
quite well. But, hey, I disagree but am happy to see you answered. You
often do not. Sincerely: thank you.

I am happy to accept ANY plan IN PRINCIPLE that will improve outcomes
and reduce costs.
Post by Mattb
Listening to you is like hearing someone say we can go to other
planets and having no idea what that would require. You have no idea
of the complexities here.
There are complexities... and I touched on some, above. What
complexities are you concerned with I did not touch upon?
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Side note: I am spending some time here and in other posts giving you a
benefit of the doubt you have shown is foolish... I am taking the time
to explain these things to you. My guess is you will not answer my
questions and will just ask more and more and more until I finally just
toss in the towel where you will claim I ran away not answering your
questions when the reality is you answer almost none and I spend a lot
of time helping you to get the education you are asking for.
While we still disagree, you answered -- you will not accept even in
principle a system which offers better outcomes at a lower cost. Thank you.
Post by Mattb
Most your questions need me to compare your proposal against the
current system and income of the treasury. You have been unable to
supply such.
This seems a reasoned and well balanced discussion on it:

https://www.thebalance.com/universal-health-care-4156211

I would argue to make sure we pay doctors well. And if people wanted
insurance for some elective procedures I am open to that (this connects
to one of the concerns on the page).
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 00:36:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question. I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family. Also who and how it will be paid for in detail. Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I have no specific plans, but
... (in a parrot like falsetto) 'I know it'll work'!
Snit
2019-08-03 00:55:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Debt. Massive debt.
This is part of why we have to save money by improving our energy systems,
reducing healthcare costs, and in the long run investing in our future.
You ask how to pay for this. I ask how can we afford NOT to. You have no
answer.
You also refuse to answer.
I'm not refusing to answer that just seems like a trick question.  I'm
insured through Cigna and admit other than them don't know enough to
answer.
  Snit needs to tell me how his plans would be better for me and my
family.  Also who and how it will be paid for in detail.  Don't think
he has a clue as to what his plan will cost a year.
I have no specific plans, but using any of the ones where you pay less
for more, and do not have your money for health care siphoned off by
corporate middlemen, is clearly better.
But there are other ways single payer would be better. Your medical
professionals would be less likely to make mistakes (paperwork would be
streamlined) and you would not have to find a doctor in your "network"
because all doctors would be included in the single payer system.
So why would you not want this?
Carroll saw this and snipped and ran. He cannot argue against it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2019-08-03 00:28:39 UTC
Permalink
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
How will you pay for all this?  Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for
single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the
F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
And never do the libs answer the question. Why is that?
I do. It is easy to pay for single payer health care -- it is a cost
savings. Yes, your taxes will likely go up some, but your insurance
premiums will go away. This will lead to lower out-of-pocket expenses
for most. How do we know this? Because looking at other countries
we see
the US pays more and gets less... which makes sense, given how we are
the only country that sees *billions* of dollar siphoned off the
system
to go into corporate pockets. Get rid of the system that
redistributes
money to the very wealthy and we also get medical professionals not
being forced to handle multiple types of paperwork from multiple
companies, and we get the ability to negotiate prices with the
pharmaceutical industry as a HUGE buyer. In short: you pay LESS
and get
MORE.
So the question is not how do we afford to pay for this, the
question is
how can we afford NOT to? Nobody seems to have the answer on that
one.
As far as education: we need to invest in our future. We need to
invest
more into K12. We need to invest more into higher ed, making it so
nobody who is capable and desiring to get a higher education is held
back by lack of funds. This, at first, of course means money going
out
-- but in a global economy we are competing with the world. The
better
our education system the better we compete in business and
manufacturing
and science and more. The better our education the better we are
able to
do financially... so in the long term this is a money making
proposition.
So the question is not how do we afford to pay for this, the
question is
how can we afford NOT to? Nobody seems to have the answer to that
one.
    To answer your question, I need details on how you will pay for it
to compare to the current system.
See above. Also keep in mind if we stop funding the rich there will be
fewer poor in need so we will save money there, too. Win-win.
  Sorry generalities do not make for details.  How would you stop
funding the rich?
We are talking in generalities here. Even in generalities, you cannot
answer how we can keep affording to pay more to get less.
  Also would need to look into the
delays some of these other countries have giving services.
But not the delays in the US? Know someone right now wearing a heart
monitor... took them about two months to get it... and once the
monitoring is done they will likely have to wait another two months to
get results. That is insane. They have private insurance.
Do they?   I've never had any problems.
But many do. And he is fairly wealthy, so I am sure he has decent
insurance.
Know someone else who is a diabetic with leg issues. They have already
been put on a wait list that is at least two months long. He might lose
his leg over the waiting times in America. Or worse.
What insurance does he have?
Do not know... but he is not fairly wealthy. I am sure he has lower
end insurance.
I would also reject giving it to Illegals.
If someone is in our custody we are obligated to provide care. This is
per US and international law. Are you suggesting we all become
"illegals" and ignore the law?
That is why we need to secure the border illegals are a bunch of
freeloader who think the Americans are suckers.  Now I'm not talking
about those who enter legally just those that enter as criminals and
law breakers.
Nobody is suggesting we not have secure borders. Your straw man is
very, very tired.
but why are you saying the border is not secure
We could certainly make improvements.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Just Wondering
2019-08-03 00:54:56 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
Why can't a person have an opinion without being labeled as something?
You, you OPINION HAVER! Yes, you. I label you an opinion haver.
Even if I have to make up a new word to do it. :)
Steve Carroll
2019-08-03 01:02:24 UTC
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Post by Just Wondering
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:51:36 +0200, kensi
How will you pay for all this? Details?
Another clear pattern. Right wingers ask "how will we pay for single
payer healthcare?" and "how will we pay for tuition-free state
colleges?" (neverminding that you *did* pay for the latter, in the
past), but never do right wingers ask "how will we pay for the F-35s?"
or "how will we pay for the Iraq invasion?"
Now why might that be?
Here we again see a leftist incorrectly calling people "right
wingers" I'm not far left but far from being a right winger.
Funny how you and Carroll try to distance yourself from the policies you
push.
Why can't a person have an opinion without being labeled as something?
You, you OPINION HAVER! Yes, you. I label you an opinion haver.
Even if I have to make up a new word to do it. :)
Opinaver?

Havion?

I'm not feeling it ;)
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